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Author Topic: packs for ice cragging  (Read 373 times)

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packs for ice cragging
« on: November 20, 2004, 11:39:49 AM »

I am in the market for a new pack. after 8 years of hard use my Cold Cold World Chernoble is finally starting to get to the point where it's falling apart on me. of course the squirrel having gnawed almost through the bottom hasn't helped much either. <sigh>

I got a Wild Things Ice Sack last winter. while it's OK, the axe holders are tubes, just like the new Chernoble's are. this is a real problem because you can't use them with the ergonomic leashless tools and I'm pretty much hard core with leashless these days.

what are other folks using & what do they think about them?

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Re: packs for ice cragging
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2004, 01:34:20 PM »

I'm on my second Wild Things Freney, the first one was a prototype.

http://www.wildthingsgear.com/freney.html

I really like the ease of crampon storage, just wrap the straps around em' and drop them in the sleeve.  The fabric is super rugged but light, and it fits me very well.  When not packed to capacity stuffing the top pocket, which is remove-able, into the pack and cinching the drawcord and compression straps makes this thing ride like a bullet.  I would list all the specs but you can see it on the link above.  One interesting thing is the tools need to be carried "spike" down, a bit unconventional but very handy.  I also just noticed it is on sale for $100 down from $150.... not bad!
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Re: packs for ice cragging
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2004, 06:15:51 PM »

has anyone tried the BD Shadow pack? it looks pretty nice.

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Re: packs for ice cragging
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2004, 05:07:28 AM »

I've had my eye on the BD sphynx.  I have not been able to test it out in the field but have tried it on in the store and really like its streamlined profile and no-nonsense approach.  However, I'm not sure how well it will accomodate leashless tools though.

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Re: packs for ice cragging
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2004, 06:46:27 AM »

you would think that since BD makes a leashless tool, Fusion, they would make their packs compatible. never know tho...

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Re: packs for ice cragging
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2004, 01:25:48 PM »

I use a marmot eiger for both rock and ice.  It could be a little bigger for ice, but it keeps me from bringing too much crap.  The price was right and the one I have is really simple and light.  All I need is a bag to put my crap in and trudge up the notch.  One of my partners has a sierrra trading post special lowe alpine, which I like a little better.  Its got an integrated crampon pouch and good tool holders.  Never used those fancy BD packs.  They look kind of small.  
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Re: packs for ice cragging
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2004, 07:24:32 PM »

I've been using a Lowe Alpine "Alpine Attack 40" as both a rock and ice pack. At 2400 cubic inches, some might consider this a little too small for ice, but it works for me. (Craig Luebben recommends 2500-3500 cubic inches for ice cragging day packs.) If I was only going to use it for ice, I'd probably get the "Alpine Attack 50" at 3000 cubic inches. I have the older version which has a fixed lid, fixed belt, and no crampon pouch. The new version addresses these issues with a floatable/removable lid, removeable belt w/ gear loops, and a crampon pouch. The only things you lose with the new version are the removable shovel flap and the removable gear slings that hung from the shoulder straps.
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Re: packs for ice cragging
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2004, 01:44:11 PM »

Lowe Alpine mountain attack 40 on sale at rei for $105

Lowe Alpine Quark 40 on sale at killerdeals.com for $89

I ordered the Quark for a crag pack.  I use BD Icepack for ice.

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Re: packs for ice cragging
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2004, 09:02:17 AM »

I use The North Face Patrol Pack. It is a little over-engineered, but it is plenty large (3200 ci?) has integrated crampon pouch, plenty of straps to tie things on, a removable backside, so if you want a lighter pack, you can have it. It is pretty much the best pack I have, other than my Arc-Teryx Khamasin.
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Re: packs for ice cragging
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2004, 12:51:14 PM »

I have one of the BD packs coming for review. I'll let you all know how it works out.

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Re: packs for ice cragging
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2004, 11:26:55 PM »

Get the Sphynx; it rocks.  For me, it was a toss up on the Wild Things Rice Sac (which is a smaller version of the Ice Sac) or the Sphynx.  The ability to easily lash leashless tools coupled with the price difference-the BD is literally HALF the price-it was a no brainer.  As with most things BD, it's construction is great, no superfluous crap, and it's really comfy to climb with .  

While I'm all for supporting the local companies, I just couldn't justify 250 bucks for a 2500 cu in pack.  

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Re: packs for ice cragging
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2004, 08:17:16 AM »

Any opinion on the Lowe Alpne ice fang??
it's on sale for 60 bucks on sierra trading post..
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Re: packs for ice cragging
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2005, 03:03:10 PM »

I had an ice fang, didn't really like it.  Too big for day climbs, and it rode poorly and was a little heavy for the job.

Just got a Cold Cold World Valdez which is the perfect ice pack for me.  Plenty of room, crampon attachment, perfect tool attachment, very narrow, internal bivy pad, 2lbs 2oz, what's not to like?
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Re: packs for ice cragging
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2005, 08:09:09 PM »

so the BD Shadow came in on Friday. haven't had time to use it, but I loaded and fitted it tonight. it seems to have everything that you would need including places to put in ice-clippers on the belt, lots of attachment & lash down attachment points and an amazing amount of adjustment. ituses a lot of Hypalon for daisy chains and has an internal  Y-rod frame. it has a unique method of attaching the ice axes that accomodates all the leashless tools. it weighs 3' 12 oz and is 3360 cu inches in volume. that should be a gracious plenty for ice craging. they also make a slightly smaller version. I'll be doing a review in the next month after I've had an opportunity to beat on it for a while.

I feel a little like I'm a walking advertisment for BD. I wear the Blizzard harness, have lots of Turbo Express screws, a pair of Fusions, and several pair of gloves. in general they make great stuff. it's obvious that someone there is paying attention. they aren't just churning the stuff out.

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Re: packs for ice cragging
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2005, 12:43:31 PM »

have been using the Shadow pack for the past few outings. very nice pack. it has all the bells and whistles and feels quite comfortable. more in a review next month.

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