What is the word with winter climbing at Echo Crag? I understand that it is covered in The Secrets of the Notch (I havn't got it) but I never see mention of it here or on the Other NE ice web site. Does it see much traffic or does it not come in well? Are there good lines there or are they contrived rap bolted spice climbs? Or would you rather that I just forget about it. It is near by and way less scary looking than Cannon.