My apologies for commenting on this again, but I must point out that it's really important to remember that we are not the only user group that matters when it comes to the management of cliffs. We have two choices, to regulate our own activity or have them regulated by others (potentially folk who don't know jack about climbing or what it does to the cliffs). There are people who value "wilderness," and bolts (just as much as trails) are not consistent with what they want, that is an experience with as little sign of human activity as possible. There are people who also value cliffs because they frequently have a whole variety of wierd plants, lichens, birds, and other critters associated with them. Bolts allow climbers to go where they haven't gone before, which means that there are fewer and fewer cliffs, and section of cliffs not being subject to our presence. Please remember, we "scrub" routes, "mine" gear placement, "garden" our way up an FA, and these actions have big time impacts for things that live on cliffs and folks who want to see them in their full glory without us crawling all over them like, excuse the analogy, flies on shit. Federal agencies, private conservation groups, private landowners, and others WILL manage for biological diversity and wildneress when it comes to cliffs. We can participate in the conversation and be willing to make concessions (e.g. recognize our actions have impacts that are negative in some ways), or simply find an increasing number of obstacles to our pursuit. I'd suggest excersizing some retraint when it comes to establishing new bolted routes or new climbing areas. Why not clean up some of the absolutely best climbs we have that have fallen into obscurity, like Windjammer on the Kanc., Don't Fire on Cathedral, the direct finish to the Last Unicorn, the upper pitches on Wonder Wall, the original pitches on Pendulum going up left of the cave on Lights in the Forest, and the list goes on and on.