> As far as what is "most important" to me, the boots or the
> money; it's a no brainer! Â The money! Â That can't be that
> hard to understand. First off, they do not deserve to make
> a profit from me due to their behavior.
That's what I'm calling the vindictive attitude. You may as well have said "I'll be damned if I'm going to accept those boots from them now, no matter what! I'll settle for nothing except my money back!"
Please don't mistake me - I'm not saying I think you're the slightest bit wrong for being extremely pissed off. It sounds like they're jerking you around as much as they can. As long as they have either a pair of boots or your money in their hands, they have the upper hand. Once you get either out of them they no longer will.
> John, since when has it become a retaliatory offense to get
> a full refund?
Making them give you a refund can be construed as retaliatory in that in a 'normal' situation where a vendor legitimately special orders something for you, they usually have to assume the burden of the cost of the item if you later decide you don't want it. At least until they can find someone else to sell the item to. That's usually why a lot of vendors require full payment up front for something they have to special order. That's why I think you'd have had a better chance of getting boots out of them at some point than a refund. But like you said, if there never were any boots and these people started out with the intention of defrauding someone 2,000 miles away, then my take on how things work with legitimate business practice would be irrelevant here.
> I guess, maybe, I don't understand the reasoning in your
> wanting me to buy the boots from these people...
It's not that I want you to buy the boots from these people. I don't care who you buy them from
All I meant is that if there had been any real chance at some point that you could have gotten the boots but you still insisted on a refund instead, don't be suprised if that choice resulted in them making it even more difficult for you.
> ...and also warn others
You'd be just as effective at that at this point no matter what happened with boots and money, etc.
But again, I agree that if there were never any boots at their end and there were never going to be, then what I'm talking about is not relevant.
> John, were you to unknowingly be a couple of steps from
> falling into a man-hole, I would shout to warn you, despite
> what anyone might say. That's just who I am.