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Re: fire at Rattlesnake rocks - Rumney?
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2008, 11:07:53 AM »
Bob, Sent you a pm. Dave R.

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Re: fire at Rattlesnake rocks - Rumney?
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2008, 03:08:17 PM »
Well, we can hope that the rain doesn't pass us by.  It would be great to get a nice downpour to extinguish the underground burning.
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Re: fire at Rattlesnake rocks - Rumney?
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2008, 03:19:47 PM »
I was wondering if anyone knew how to get in touch with the Forest Service or if the RCA is in contact with them.  I'm available all weekend to volunteer.  Whether bringing in food/refreshments for the guys working on the fire or anything else that might be needed.  If anyone has info on this please post or pm me.

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Re: fire at Rattlesnake rocks - Rumney?
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2008, 04:40:01 PM »
Hi all, I just got the word from the USFS

Rumney is closed for the weekend, the fire which escaped the fire line last night has continued to spread north and west. they have two helicopters doing water drops.
they plan to expand their operation tomorrow.

At this point volunteering is not an option, they appreciate us spreading the word so they don't have to keep turning people away.

I have offered the RCA's help. they may take us up on the offer to help remove some of their gear when all is said and done.

I'll continue to post updates

think rainy thoughts,

Bob

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Re: fire at Rattlesnake rocks - Rumney?
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2008, 12:40:25 PM »
apparently the fire jumped the firelines & expanded, endangering some houses on Buffalo Road. according to the Forest Service web site (http://www.fs.fed.us/r9/forests/white_mountain/) as of the end of the day on Friday the fire had expanded to 50 acres. according to the Union Leader (http://www.unionleader.com/pda-article.aspx?articleId=616d94ee-76ee-42a5-8236-217751ce1ded) U.S. Forest Service officials believe the fire was caused by humans!

while it has rained somewhat Saturday morning in the Mount Washington Valley, it has not rained in any significant amount there as of Saturday morning.

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Re: fire at Rattlesnake rocks - Rumney?
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2008, 07:55:40 PM »
according to Channel 9 news tonight the fire has come more under control today with the aid of some amount of rain that came down today. fire officials are expressing some amount of optimism about the situation. there will be fire  fighters on the scene tomorrow and there is some hope that they will be able to take care of this very soon.

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Re: fire at Rattlesnake rocks - Rumney?
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2008, 09:38:04 PM »
I won't get into detail and I am no fire science major, but one of the things that my grandfather talks about with us (the family) is the need for fires in the ecology. My grandfather is a twice-retired and still active fire fighter on the West Coast. 47 years of Fire experience beneath him and he now drives a contracted water truck to the USFS out west. Last year he was out on 30+ fires and I listen when he talks.

I am quite amazed at the huge amount of duff that is in the forests of New England and am surprised that there aren't more fires due to the dense populations, and that when fires do happen they tend to be contained to a relatively small area. Every summer growing up I would witness two - five big fires and dozens of smaller ones. 50 acres really isn't allot. The fire in Yellowstone can be attributed to too much human intervention; so to see a fire jump a line out here really isn't all that huge of a shock to me. I recently saw some pictures of a small fire out here and it looked as if the crews were 24" down in the ground cutting a line. IMO this is a good thing for the area since it is burning off the thick duff, though containing this fire is good as well.


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Re: fire at Rattlesnake rocks - Rumney?
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2008, 11:45:02 PM »
I'm no fire science pro either, but I believe natural occuring fires (lightning strikes) can be good for the enviroment, but fires cause by humans on accident (as this one appears) are not really part of the natural cycle...

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Re: fire at Rattlesnake rocks - Rumney?
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2008, 03:34:54 PM »
Hi all,

Just an update, I had the opportunity As a representative of the RCAto walk some of the perimeter of the fire today with Acting district Ranger Tom Giles and Fire manager Erin Smalls. (hope I got the titles right)

The good news is that it appears that most of the crags have been spared any damage. we walked up to the top of orange crush, where the first fire damage is evident, it spread across the top of the main cliff and back up to the ridge line.

we hiked the worm hole trail, across to the top of bonsai, this whole area is burned pretty significantly.  the was some fire damage to the trees at the base of bonsai but the crag remains unscathed.

we then went down to Vader and up to Wiamea, this area is pretty green and escaped damage.  the trail up to jimmy cliff probably got hit the hardest but again, the cliff escaped damage.

The Wiamea trail designates the western edge of the fire so everything beyond that trial I believe is unscathed...

The fire is still burning up above the crags, the parking lots are being used as staging areas, There are hoses running all the way beyond the top of the main cliff and they expect that work will be going on for the remainder of the week.
For now Rumney is still closed and the USFS appreciates our support in spreading the word.

so good news all in all,

Cheers,

Bob

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Re: fire at Rattlesnake rocks - Rumney?
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2008, 05:05:54 PM »
Thanks Bob.  I quoted you on RC in the Rumney Ruckus thread.

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Re: fire at Rattlesnake rocks - Rumney?
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2008, 05:26:29 PM »
>>> From the WMNF web site, Sunday, June 1, 2008 <<<

Hiker / Visitor Alerts and Current Conditions

Fire on Rattlesnake Mountain - Day 4. Rain showers and high humidity 
during the night of Friday, 30 May and during the day Saturday, 
helped to suppress the widlandfire on Rattlesnake Mountain in Rumney, 
NH (the Rattlesnake 08 incident). At the same time, the rain hampered 
ground crews by making the rock ledges slippery and dangerous. More 
accurate mapping has indicated the size of the fire at about 54 acres.

On Sunday, 1 June, two additional crews from New York and the Midewin 
National Tallgrass Prairie in Illinois will join firefighters from 
the White Mountain and Green Mountain National Forests and the State 
of New Hampshire for the arduous "mop up," rooting any remaining 
flames from the layer of duff (dead leaves and pine needles) that 
covers the forest floor.

The Incident Commander has released the NH National Guard Blackhawk 
helicopter that has assisted with water drops for two days, as well 
as a bulldozer from the Maine Forest Service that has been standing 
by. The Rumney Fire Department, that has been on scene to protect 
houses close to the fire, has also been released, and the temporary 
closure of Buffalo Road has been lifted.

The Forest Supervisor-ordered closure of the Rumney Rocks climbing 
area and the nearby Rattlesnake Mountain Trail remain in effect. This 
information posted 1 June 2008, 0800 hours. We will update as 
conditions change.

Forest Service officials ask that anyone with information about the 
fire, or who may have been in the area on Wednesday afternoon, 
contact Herb Karsten at (603) 536-1315 ext. 4033.
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Re: fire at Rattlesnake rocks - Rumney?
« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2008, 05:47:35 PM »
Thanks Al.  Copied this also.

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Re: fire at Rattlesnake rocks - Rumney?
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2008, 11:02:50 PM »
what's the latest?  will rums be open this weekend?

what about cleanup efforts?  is someone/people putting something together for trail repair and cleanup?  lemme know, cuz i'd help out.

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Re: fire at Rattlesnake rocks - Rumney?
« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2008, 08:57:18 AM »
what's the latest?  will rums be open this weekend?

what about cleanup efforts?  is someone/people putting something together for trail repair and cleanup?  lemme know, cuz i'd help out.

-derek-

That's an excellent idea.  I was thinking the same thing.  Now is a good opportunity for those of us that love the area to show their support.


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Re: fire at Rattlesnake rocks - Rumney?
« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2008, 11:36:02 AM »
hey Bob -

seems that derek has a good idea. how about the RCA hooking up with the forest service & figuring out about doing some cleanup & the like. you guys are probably already onto that, but just in case...

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