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[steveclimbs]

Hey Tom, Loose lips is one of my favorites, as is sleeping beauty.  I give you a heads up when coming back to the valley.
steve

[strandman]

Ya'll sucked me back in-- I don't think it was about ruffling feathers-- i think it was an out and out statement about right and wrong. Just that these dudes had the balls to atually do it.\
Chopping of this route was talked about 40 years ago

Bravo lads

[ed_esmond]

I don't think it was about ruffling feathers-- i think it was an out and out statement about right and wrong

do you really think it was just a statement about "what's right and wrong?"

if it were solely about "what's right and wrong," why didn't they just do it, without all of the self-promoting spray?

they are perfect modern-era climber: do something in moderately good style, $hit on the guy who didn't do what you did (extra points if he/she can't defend himself;) then, blog endlessly and shamelessly about how great you are for doing what you did....

sounds like "ruffling feathers" AND gaining sponsors/paychecks to me....

respectfully,

ed e

[steveclimbs]

This is part of an alpinist interview by Jason.


"There has been a lot of talk over the years about chopping the Compressor bolts. Undoubtably, it is a lot easier to talk about it than to actually do it and deal with the consequences. After a lengthy introspection on the summit, we knew the act needed to be initiated by one party, without consensus. The tribes will always remain too polarized to reach a common ground".

gives a nice perspective eh?

[The other tomcat]

Ha yeah Steve! Sleeping Beauty Rocks !! I will use that as a training goal. Jerry was right to put it on the hidden gem list. I sometimes turn a full 360* on that first bit...lol...

[strandman]

This is part of an alpinist interview by Jason.


"There has been a lot of talk over the years about chopping the Compressor bolts. Undoubtably, it is a lot easier to talk about it than to actually do it and deal with the consequences. After a lengthy introspection on the summit, we knew the act needed to be initiated by one party, without consensus. The tribes will always remain too polarized to reach a common ground".

gives a nice perspective eh?

Seems to be in line with what I'm saying.

Consensus is not always right

[tradmanclimbz]

Who decides what is right?  you? or me

[strandman]

me     but you can too

[terminusnout]

What really gets me is the fact that Red Bull acts as if its no issue. This is why capitalism is a economic falsity that will never work. If you sponsor climbers then you should realize that you need to be a responsible steward towards the physical earth, not deface it to mark up a scorecard to sell more fizzy drinks.