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[DMan]

If you climb multi pitch with singles i bet the new Gri Gri would be a good unit. $$$$ Pricy though.

I like the ergonomics of the Cinch better.   I've never used a  gri gri for lead belaying.   the weight difference is minimal.    plus since i already have a Cinch it is simple. 

I love my Cinch for a few reasons.

1) Zero resistance when taking in slack while direct belaying off the anchor. There is no better way to pull in 600 feet of 10mm on the slabs for 7 pitches guiding.

2) Instant lock when loaded... while the brake hand still needs to be on the rope this cam locks up much quicker than a Gri-Gri, which is preferred when belaying a second or TR'ing IMO, but makes this less ideal for belaying a leader which I never do with it.

3) You can install this on a fully loaded rope, adding to it's functionality in self rescue as it can function as a smooth ascender in that application.

4) Works down to 9.4mm (unlike old Gri-Gri 9.7)

Downsides:

1) Does not rap half as smoothly as the Gri-Gri, especially the new one.

2) Not great for belaying a leader.

3) New Gri-Gri works down to 8.9mm.

[JakeDatc]

my gf  has the new gri gri2  and she likes it a lot for belaying a leader.   It is similar weight to the Cinch.  and yep  pricey. 

Dman I find belaying a leader with the Cinch to be much more natural than the Grigri.   I also didn't use a gri gri beforehand  so i had no old habits.   I don't use it to rappel so i'm not worried about that.  I think it is just what you are used to using.

[tinker]

I just saw photos of the new gri gri. it looks pretty small and light but it is $100.00 clams.

  I recently broke down and bought one and have been really happy with it.  It really is a lot smaller and lighter than the original.  Though not as light as my old stitch plate   100$ is kind of steep, such are the dangers of online shopping.  There I was ordering some other thing's gore-tex patch kit, new hammer head for my ice axe.  Then there it was in a bright shiny pop -up ad I clicked and it was in my shopping cart before I could say munter hitch.   For double rope stuff I will stick with the atc guide.

[DMan]

Dman I find belaying a leader with the Cinch to be much more natural than the Grigri.   I also didn't use a gri gri beforehand  so i had no old habits.   I don't use it to rappel so i'm not worried about that.  I think it is just what you are used to using.

Probably. I haven't belayed many leaders with it but my two concerns:

1) You can't really feed out slack without holding the cam open right? The Gri-gri (old or new) lets you feed slack without holding the cam open. I could be wrong here and just not practiced with it, but it seems the camming mechanism locks the second you try to pull slack out.

2) Zero rope slippage when catching a fall, leading to higher forces on gear. Related to point one, that thing seems to lock instantly, making it harder to give a dynamic belay. Just my thoughts, but as I said I haven't really belayed many leaders with it.

[JakeDatc]

Dman I find belaying a leader with the Cinch to be much more natural than the Grigri.   I also didn't use a gri gri beforehand  so i had no old habits.   I don't use it to rappel so i'm not worried about that.  I think it is just what you are used to using.

Probably. I haven't belayed many leaders with it but my two concerns:

1) You can't really feed out slack without holding the cam open right? The Gri-gri (old or new) lets you feed slack without holding the cam open. I could be wrong here and just not practiced with it, but it seems the camming mechanism locks the second you try to pull slack out.

2) Zero rope slippage when catching a fall, leading to higher forces on gear. Related to point one, that thing seems to lock instantly, making it harder to give a dynamic belay. Just my thoughts, but as I said I haven't really belayed many leaders with it.

1)  you can feed out slack just fine without the cam.   instructions http://www.youtube.com/v/R9TO5ikqXwo

2)  "On smaller diameter ropes, or when holding falls that generate extremely high loads (in excess of factor 1) the Cinch acts dynamically, reducing shock loads to the belay system." - from Cinch description on trango's site.  I forget what Kn value  Mal said it started to slip at.    i weigh 120lbs so i always act dynamically. 
this was with no jumping, announced fall.

[RagingTurk]

RRG - The Shire - Miranda Rayne?

[JakeDatc]

RRG - The Shire - Miranda Rayne?

Yep, good eye.   Such a fun route.  also fun to wing off. 

[sneoh]

Whip practice?

[ELM]

You guys are dressed for two seperate seasons......

[bennybrew]

You guys are dressed for two seperate seasons......

the climber appears not to be dressed at all.

[JakeDatc]

He was whipping for fun.  did it again this year and took video

It wasn't that cold but while belaying I kept my jacket on (light weigh synthetic fill).   climber has more blort than I do and was warm climbing

[sneoh]

Sorry, totally off topic but some 'fun' facts about whipping for fun -
1.  Muir Valley (region in RRG) rules state no 'victory whips' allowed,
2.  Before the current set of anchors for Social Outcast (at Rumney) were installed, climbers were known to leap off the top of the cliff rather than use the old anchors further back from the prominent lip (that marks the current finish for the climb).  I just couldn't bring myself to jump off the top of the climb when the opportunity presented itself! 

[JakeDatc]

Sorry, totally off topic but some 'fun' facts about whipping for fun -
1.  Muir Valley (region in RRG) rules state no 'victory whips' allowed,
2.  Before the current set of anchors for Social Outcast (at Rumney) were installed, climbers were known to leap off the top of the cliff rather than use the old anchors further back from the prominent lip (that marks the current finish for the climb).  I just couldn't bring myself to jump off the top of the climb when the opportunity presented itself! 

The Shire is not in Muir Valley.   But we are aware of that rule. 

there are different anchors for social now?  the ones i've used you have to pull the lip, flip your rope around the arete and go up a short slab? 

[tradmanclimbz]

Ot or OT not sure which at this point? been useing the ATC guide as an belay off anchors quite a bit. It works well and not too bad to do short lowers or feed out a little slack. i do Not use it in that mode for big roofs where the 2nd may want to retrete quickly to a rest rather than fall and hang.

[perswig]

^^

Trad, I've alway preferred to belay seconds off the anchor, first with original Reverso, now with ATC guide.  Other than when the anchor is sketchy or too low to be comfy, the only time I'll NOT do this is when I expect a second to need some up/down flexibility; I frequently go with a Munter then.  Lord knows it's not for big roofs, though  .
 I'll belay off my harness if I have to, but for some reason I feel all hemmed in when I do this.  Weird.

Dale