I've had a pair of Nagos for almost two years and they're finally ready for a resole/retiring. Man, they climb very well. I've climbed harder and harder over the winter and while throwing myself at V this and that in the gym (in old worn shoes), I've noticed their (my?) limits. On rope I haven't found their limits cause I don't climb hard enough. I think I've gotten to the point that two pair of shoes may be the ticket, but I just can't help but wonder about the folks who were pushing grades (12s &13s) twenty plus years ago in the shoes they did and how much of this is really shoes and how much is me needing to climb more.