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personally, you go to a sport cliff, you bring your quick draws... climb on bolt...Oh! it is a crack!!! no bolt. So you turned back to your car, get out the packsack, get out the gear, bring them to the cliff and finally climbed twenty feet of 'trad'. For me, it is not fair. Bolt that crack.
Of course opinions and local ethics differ area to area.
...Having a clutch does it means that you are a manual driver?
so, what happened to the bears?my neighbor has a picture of a black bear sitting in his "plow truck." it's an automatic, maybe he can't drive a clutch....ed
Quote from: lucky luke on December 07, 2012, 11:27:19 pmpersonally, you go to a sport cliff, you bring your quick draws... climb on bolt...Oh! it is a crack!!! no bolt. So you turned back to your car, get out the packsack, get out the gear, bring them to the cliff and finally climbed twenty feet of 'trad'. For me, it is not fair. Bolt that crack. This is an argument which has occurred and will continue to come up at many sport crags; do you bolt a crack or leave the route a mixed one? Of course opinions and local ethics differ area to area. Just go with the flow, especially if you are a visitor. Most guide books do a good job highlighting mixed routes at a predominantly sport crag.
Quote from: sneoh on December 07, 2012, 07:33:38 pm""There are no fixed rules save those you create for yourself provided you are honest about how you've accomplished something."...For me, it is not fair. Bolt that crack...
""There are no fixed rules save those you create for yourself provided you are honest about how you've accomplished something."
Al needs to lock this thread and end the pain!