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darwined:
How is this properly done, specifically around a tree or boulder?  Are there do's and don'ts from an efficiency stand point?  Are there do's and don'ts from a safety stand point?  If you intend to lead the next pitch too is it better just to use a cord?

wivanoff:
You could check out this thread
http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2590836;page=unread#unread

lucky luke:

--- Quote from: darwined on February 06, 2013, 09:10:13 AM ---How is this properly done, specifically around a tree or boulder?  Are there do's and don'ts from an efficiency stand point?  Are there do's and don'ts from a safety stand point?  If you intend to lead the next pitch too is it better just to use a cord?

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It happened to me that I take all my sling and have to anchor with the rope. As I had nothing else it is the best way to do it. In snow, you can use two very distant protection and tie in correctly with a rope, what you can't do if you don't have enought sling. In both case, it is a leading decision for me. If I use too much sling in the lower part of the pitch, I won't have any higher. So, as I clim'bed, I have to decide if the protection worth a sling or not. Some times, it is better to ave a longer sling and fall safe than to have no anchor at the top. it happen that you find a good place at the end of the rope.

Personally, I always tie to the anchor with the rope, versus with a daisy chain or sling. It gave me the extra free place to move on the anchor and I can always make safety manipulation to help my second if I have to belay off the anchor. But I tie on a main anchor and on a protection.

I never tie in directly in my harness with a sling (as far as I know to never say never in climbing). It gave me no rope stretching.
 even if three feet of dynamic rope is not a lot.

With bolt, the question don't worth and answer, because you can top rope your second directly on the anchor. In snow, it can be chalenging because the anchor is not as solid as rock (boot belay for example). In boot belay, the rope is mandatory. It is part of the adventure and those technique have to be train with your partner by simulating a situation or/and climbing route with that kind of chalenge.   

DLottmann:

--- Quote from: darwined on February 06, 2013, 09:10:13 AM ---How is this properly done, specifically around a tree or boulder?  Are there do's and don'ts from an efficiency stand point?  Are there do's and don'ts from a safety stand point?  If you intend to lead the next pitch too is it better just to use a cord?

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Your question is quite broad with many possible answers. I agree with LL on everything he said (hell just froze over), but I'll add some thoughts on some situation specifics;

1) If you are leading the next pitch I don't think using the rope is the way to go. Much easier to use a cord or double length  to quickly equalize and create a "master point" for the second to clip into. For true experiences alpine minimalists on double screw anchors using BD Turbo Express screws (two carabiner holes in hanger) I could understand using the rope... but that is the exception...

2) The easiest and best place to use the rope IMO is after topping out the climb when you are going to use a solid tree anchor anyways. Walk around the tree, walk back towards the edge of the climb, grab both strands a few feet above your tie-in, and make a doubled overhand on a bight to belay from. This simultaneously anchors you in so you can yell off belay and creates a convenient spot to directly belay off the anchor from, with zero gear. Guides use it all the time at the top of the route...

3) If you are swinging leads, then tying in with the rope can be fast and easy... or painstakingly over-complicated and slow... It takes quite a bit of practice to do it quickly, with the only advantage being you saved using your cord or a double length... for these methods I would suggest you read and practice what was already linked to: http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2590836;page=unread#unread

Bottom-line, I definitely don't use the rope if doing all the leading (except at top-out), I "might" use it if swinging leads, but on a long route I prefer to lead in blocks, so I only swing once... It's good to know and practice using the rope for those times you come up short on gear... one more trick for you bag...

On a related note I think most people could benefit from learning to build equalized 3 point anchors with just a double length... by cord never leaves my harness with the exception of setting up a TR anchor on a big tree...

strandman:
Luke and DMan are both wrong- you tie in with the rope ..period.  Clove and figure 8 makes things bomber.  This bullshit about cordaleetes and daisies and slings is to make things easy for guides and sell gear.

get to a tree .. tie a good sized fig 8 , bring it around and clip in   DONE

Swinging leads ? easy you already have the second through a bit of the belay.. get going.. no  fucking around

Guees climbing with Bouchard still gets to me

Oh yeah .. NEVER belay the second off the anchor  THROUGH the anchor

preaching is done

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