Say Luke, have you ever been to the City of Rocks?
Because I don't like that... and many people don't like that either. Before you hi jack the thread more than one hundred fifty person read the thread.
You understand that some people could agree with the old mentality and want to have a modern definition of trad climbing. You enter in the thread to make diversion and oblige every body to climb like you.
I respecte strong climber, Lynn Hill is a model for me as much as edlinger. they are not perfect and eddlinger was a sport climber. I respect Cote, Webster, SA, anderson, bouchard, Davis Murray for the ethic that they develop when they climb with piton. They climb safe and have a strategy to come back a live. they were strong climber too, but not on the same scale as you.
You asked me my experience on survival mode to make a comparaison with the "audience" who are better climber and have more survival mode than every body. I made the comparaison with a divorce women with the kid in a way that you can not compare me with you. I never say that sport was competition, but Jake Datc thing that because it is his answer.
You are like horses with blinkers. You go straight forward in one direction, sport climbing, destroying every thing in your way because you don't see that there is some thing else around. Althought different and not accessible to every body, trad climbing is a very rich ethic.