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OK great ideas so far, tumble down sound like a good idea, don't know why I did not think of that. Indoors, been there done that, that is why I keep getting asked when are we going outside, hope that does not sound negative but we started there, indoors, and when ever I left to go ice climbing, he was asking when do I get to go outside. thanks for the input so far.
hey guys, thanks for the suggestions, made it out yesterday and things went well, already asking to go next weekend so positive experience!
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