Hey guys, this is getting a little heated. It's just climbing, which is about as important as, oh, marbles. Lighten up.
When some one don't came back and they don't want that there name was in accident in north american mountaineering because the mistake is so basic... that worth to fight for safety..
One day or an other, there always will be a climber who will go to try canon, mt washington and other cliff, and because when we talk seriously about think like hand grip, direction of fall, force on the last pro, how the expert workout to place good nuts, ethic of bottom up, how to bail safely, you laught at those safety rules wrote in mountaineering freedom of the hill, those climber are going to have accident, they will make basic mistake.
I was a lifeguard before and rules like never leave your children close to a pool, close the gate, wear your safety jacket, etc, most always be remember each year to the swimmer...and still many death.
Why shouldn't talked about safety of trad, which is more important, and safety in a gym, which it easier to control. why couldn't describe cliff for trad, without always fighting bolt climber, and describe cliff for sport?
When people climb a long cliff without pushing themselve too high, just at a good chalenge...they love it and they want to learn more and when they come back to the gym... it is less fun. You can even make route in a gym for workout on sight in trad. In publicity, many company diversify there products to reach more client