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Re: Trump
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2016, 08:25:22 pm »
...sponsored by KM. Bernie was the speaker. I'd bet he wasn't paid as I doubt any candidate knowingly this close to the election would want that to come out. And yes it's all about face time right now. So if he gets the opportunity he should take it.

I guess my point is they all crate a persona and while Bernie's is about the middle class I wouldn't be so fast to accept that persona.

You're not in politics your entire life without being beholden to some corporate interest. My take is that Bernie being "independent" or "social democrat" or whatever you want to call him and coming across as anti-establishment isn't all it's cracked up to be.

He's just as much bullshit as the rest of them.

350 million or so people in our country and these are the 10 best we can come up with?!

Sad isn't it?

I just read an article about the Clintons receiving $153,000,000.  in speaking fees since 2001(an average of $207,000 per speech). Yeah, they can totally relate to the middle class ::)
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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2016, 09:00:54 pm »
Bernie's message has pretty much been the same since mayor of Burlington. I've been a loyal supporter since the early 90's and have voted for him at every election. Even during periods not living in VT Bernie or his support staff responded to inquires in a friendly, informative, and timely matter. One great thing about all VT lawmakers is their willingness to listen and fight for their constituents, the fact that in almost every election Bernie has faced an upward battle and won speaks for his ability to hold a consistent message and listen to the people (VTers also don't tend to vote out incumbents that hold higher offices).

As to who is putting money in politicians pockets, look at Bernies donors, there's not a lot of big business donations. So while he may listen to and speak at events hosted by big business he's not accepting bribes like others.

While I'm not a Republican I would like to see Kasich rise above all the evangelical uber conservative bs that is currently swirling.

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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2016, 09:13:11 pm »
Bernie has conviction and I have utmost respect for that. His tune doesn't change. I'll give him that!

Though looking at his donor list doesn't mean he's not beholden to corpaorate business interests. If you're a lifelong politician it's a way of life. Unfortunately.

I had an opportunity to meet Kasich at a small business meeting with about five mins of one on one afterwards. Probably the most sensible one on that side.

Cruz (Huckabee, Santorum) are right wring religious zealots. They scare me as much as the far left wanting to tax us into oblivion by offering free "everything" and bankrupting us (single payer health will never work in the US -  case in point VT nixed it because it would have required something like tripling the current budget).

At the town hall the other night I couldn't believe when Anderson Cooper asked Hillary what about the 675k she aceepted from Wall St for speeches and she basically answered "well that's what they offered me!"

I'm a social liberal and fiscal conservative - neither party represents my political views. But I believe in the power of voting so I have to pay attention and choose who I think will do the best job.
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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2016, 10:40:12 am »
I'm not sure that anyone who advocates a massive tax increase is gonna do well ?

In CO, we have a governor who owned one of the first brew pubs in the state..now that's somebody i vote for !

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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2016, 03:19:29 pm »
True it would be a massive increase in taxes, but its really just a transfer of who receives your money. Let's say you currently pay 15% in taxes plus 10,000 a year in healthcare on a 100,000 a year salary. If you remove Insurance and shift it to taxes, you're being taxed at 25% which is a huge jump but overall the amount out of pocket is the same. Obviously there will be those that are at the top of their tax brackets that get kind of screwed, but if you're lucky and at the bottom you may actually see an increase in your yearly take home. While it's true that under ACA the majority have seen huge jumps in their monthly premiums compared to 8 years ago, the large reason for this is because of the private public republican healthcare mandates that the republicans put in place to make it fail.

It baffles me that people are so against spending for things like universal healthcare and infrastructure, but have no problem writing blank checks for the millitary. Case in point how many billions did Obama just earmark for our millitary to increase their presence in Eastern Europe to show Russia we back NATO.

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« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2016, 05:23:23 pm »
I don't disagree,,jus that the tax deal makes him un electable...and for sure congress would never approve any deal for health care...they all get health care , so they don't give a fuck about anybody else

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« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2016, 07:14:32 pm »
Bernie Sanders, the "Democratic Socialist," is following in the footsteps of Eugene McCarthy (1968) , George McGovern (1972), Fred Harris (1976), John Anderson (1980), Jesse Jackson (1984), and Ralph Nader (2000).

None of these guys had ANY SHOT WHATSOEVER at becoming the President of the United States, and neither does Bernie.  Given the conservative nature of most American voters, casting a vote for Bernie is like casting a vote for Jerry Garcia (who is dead).  Neither Bernie nor Jerry has any chance of winning.

So, "All aboard!"  Hop on the Hillary train!  We're heading to the White House!  (Or would you prefer Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio?)

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« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2016, 11:20:02 pm »
^ So Hillary wants us to think. Sorry, she is most definitely not getting my vote in the primary. I don't think you can put the guys you listed in the same league as Senator Sanders in popularity (maybe McGovern, but I was abt 8 years old, so wasn't following politics too closely). Harris, Anderson or Jesse Jackson?, Come on! Conditions are quite a bit different now in many ways and Sanders has already blown away expectations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLA6WdYzQwg#t=77.856
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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2016, 08:59:18 pm »
You got Hillary and prolly Cruz after Trump implodes...easy pick

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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2016, 08:30:25 am »
I'm Canadian. Educate me on the different parties and their core beliefs.

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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2016, 08:56:32 am »
I'm Canadian. Educate me on the different parties and their core beliefs.

Republicans would like to tear down the government brick by brick, with the exception of the military,  and create a privatized for-profit oligarchy.

Democrats would like to legislate everything right down to the toothpaste you use.  End result, a different brand of oligarchy.

Neither party gives a shit about Americans.  They're both in the business of stealing your productivity and redistributing it to their campaign contributors.
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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2016, 08:58:02 am »
In a nutshell: The Dems and Repubs take opposing sides on every issue which perpetuates itself as political theatre- which is really what it is. Keeps the masses occupied, so to speak.

The individual politicians themselves spend their entire being lining their own pockets while keeping their eye on the prize: to get re-elected.

Meanwhile, in the "background" are the real power brokers- the lobbyists' from corporate America (and beyond) who control the purse strings for the candidates to get re-elected.

Around and around we go.......

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Re: Trump
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2016, 09:05:14 am »
Take it from someone from Maryland, don't let Martin dazzle you with a good debate performance. He taxed people right outta Maryland, didn't do Baltimore a bit of good and cheats on his wife.

 The election is nothing to look forward to. Bernie would be best for the majority of Americans. Why he won't get elected is baffling. So the Clinton, Rubio, Cruz and Bush machine will reign. Wall Street will keep on keeping on. The middle class will spend their life away and the poor will get poorer.
I'm going to rob banks til I retire or get caught.. Either way I'm set for life!

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« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2016, 10:14:23 am »
I'm Canadian. Educate me on the different parties and their core beliefs.

vancouver is democrats and winnepeg is republicans.

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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2016, 01:30:53 pm »
I'm Canadian. Educate me on the different parties and their core beliefs.

vancouver is democrats and winnepeg is republicans.

Ah, I understand. :)

I mostly just posted to see what folks said. I am quite familiar with US politics :)