I have the alp wings. Grivel picks are some of the best out there, but with a file and a little patience, you can make all of the picks work pretty well. I got a great deal on the alp wings a few years ago, and that was a big part of my choice to buy them. If I were to do it again I'd get a pair of quarks. The 70% of the time you are climbing waterfall they will kick ass, and most technical tools aren't the best for plunging anyways. I think plunging, at least here in new england, is a vastly over-rated feature. Maybe if youre up in the alps or the high rockies and you need a little security, plunge away, but here in VT, I mostly plunge to haul my fat ass up the approach to the base of the climb. That being said, I heard the new quarks have a pinky rest that might make them really hard to plunge.