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Title: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: Admin Al on September 30, 2012, 09:38:44 PM
not a good choice of days for a 5 day solo hike I think...

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120930/NEWS07/709309862/0/NEWS0606
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: tradmanclimbz on October 01, 2012, 07:42:52 AM
Interesting. lots of really Vile comments after the article.
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: ELM on October 01, 2012, 07:45:26 AM
He really had no choice...once his hip was out that was it. We'll see if he gets charged for this.
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: Admin Al on October 01, 2012, 10:50:53 AM
he made some mistakes before his hip went out... some of this timing seemed suspect.

I didn't think that the comments were "that" bad. they often are pretty obnoxious tho.
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: fresh on October 01, 2012, 12:39:12 PM
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When he came to a waist-high ledge, he couldn’t step up, so he jumped up on it backwards.
that's some trick.
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: JBro on October 01, 2012, 02:17:39 PM
So if my math is correct this guy hiked a couple of hours day 1, an entire day on day 2, and half the day on day 3 and made it all of about 6 miles before getting injured.  ???

He might have been walking backwards the entire time.
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: M_Sprague on October 01, 2012, 02:36:55 PM
I like the guy who commented "Who in their right mind starts a hike anywhere at 10 pm?" I guess I am not in my right mind. I hike a lot at night. I guess he doesn't know that headlamps work very well. If I have to haul a big pack that can be the most comfortable time to do it, no sun beating down on you, the bugs are usually less and the stars can be beautiful. You also get to jump out of your skin when you think you hear a bear next to you. :-\

It does sound like the guy may have been very over weight though, with his odd technique of getting over a ledge and the rescuers struggling to carry him. He messed up a little, but from what I can gather, I don't think enough that he should be fined.
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: strandman on October 01, 2012, 02:46:14 PM
Sometimes going slow is the only way-- right Mark ?  Our original way into green's was 4 hour hike
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: M_Sprague on October 01, 2012, 02:55:52 PM
Yup... and no ass-dynoing when you get your new hip, John. :D
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: old_school on October 01, 2012, 07:34:31 PM
Yup... and no ass-dynoing when you get your new hip, John. :D

 ;D
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: ed_esmond on October 01, 2012, 08:49:35 PM
I guess I am not in my right mind.

you only "guess"?  the rest of us know...  ;)

ed

ps. i helped carry out ted hammond when he dislocated his replacement hip way, way up the hill at rumney.   johnny bragg and steve arsinault were there that day and it was awesome to have their rescue expertise.  i did have to laugh when steve tried to convince the "fast squad" leader to call in a air national guard helicopter.  when it was pointed out that there was no place for the 'copter to land, steve said, "they'll just use the "jungle penetrator..."

the fast squad guy had a look like "this 'jungle penetrator' isn't he a black porn star?"

anyway, we got a bunch of climber to pass the litter down the trail to the road.  steve and john (who obviously had done this many, many times,) rigged a series of running "belays/hand lines" to keep it safe.

i learned a lot watching both of them analyze the situation and then moving efficiently to make it safe.




Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: tradmanclimbz on October 01, 2012, 09:24:24 PM
Lucky for Ted he is a Made Man so he did not get completly slagged on the internet for being rescued.
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: sneoh on October 01, 2012, 10:59:28 PM
So, how easy/common does one dislocate a replacement hip?
I know a couple of active guys who have replacement hips.  Should they be concerned?
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: ELM on October 02, 2012, 08:34:54 AM
It is fairly easy. That is why anyone who has a replacement is taught their "hip precautions". Basically it is not to have your knees above the height of your hip. You also should not cross your legs at all.
He sounded like he over-rotated his hip rearward and applied force while doing it. That combined with the pack weight took it out.
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: strandman on October 02, 2012, 01:35:25 PM
My therapist was a pretty active climber for #1 and she said " no more Devil's Tower for you"  Too bad, I love that place. You get a bit of limited movement but no pain... easy call for me. i thought shouldder rehab was way harder than hip pt.. grammy ?
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: frik on October 02, 2012, 02:29:34 PM
Jeesh, you guys have me concerned. Is hip replacement surgery like an "occupational hazard" for climbers,
or just for climbers who put in a lot of bolts?
 
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: ELM on October 02, 2012, 03:35:08 PM
Jeesh, you guys have me concerned. Is hip replacement surgery like an "occupational hazard" for climbers,
or just for climbers who put in a lot of bolts?
 

Champ told me it was only if you bolted on rappel  :)

On a serious note. I really doubt climbers are at more risk to need a replacement. Most non traumatic replacements are just due to arthritis...everyone is prone to that.
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: sneoh on October 02, 2012, 05:32:17 PM
Most non traumatic replacements are just due to arthritis...everyone is prone to that.
This is indeed the case with the people I know who had replacement hips put in.
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: M_Sprague on October 02, 2012, 05:37:09 PM
His hip didn't stop Ted from leading the dihedral of Flying Hawian for the Rumney guidebook cover shot. That was some time after his carry out (or maybe he was just hoping to get some more morphine)
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: M_Sprague on October 02, 2012, 05:39:51 PM
Jeesh, you guys have me concerned. Is hip replacement surgery like an "occupational hazard" for climbers,
or just for climbers who put in a lot of bolts?
I think it is just people who put bolts in on the lead and tend to take huge whippers.
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: ed_esmond on October 02, 2012, 10:36:13 PM
i recall it happened on dave quinn's .11 at the asylum.  we had all done the route (i think it was ted, allen catabriga, den dana and myself.)  the crux involves some really painful stemming.  i found the moves uncomfortable, and i was pretty flexible at the time.

unfortunately, ted decided he wanted to do it again... 

we administered some "first aid" to help with the pain, which was considerable.  the "fast squad" got there pretty quickly, but it took a little time for the emt with the real drugs to arrive.  once ted got the shot, he was way blissed.

one of the climbers helping carry the litter was a young women with a halo of curly golden hair.  ted looked at her, then rolled his head toward me and slurred, "she's like an angel..."

it sounds like stemming and replacement hips aren't the way to go.
ed
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: strandman on October 04, 2012, 12:35:05 PM
Jeesh, you guys have me concerned. Is hip replacement surgery like an "occupational hazard" for climbers,
or just for climbers who put in a lot of bolts?
I think it is just people who put bolts in on the lead and tend to take huge whippers.

HA!  The Doc asked if I had experienced any trauma ??? I didn't really know how to respond.  THEN he looked at some ankle xrays... that's a whole 'nother story... "when was the last time you fractured this ankle?"  ... Don't even look at the other one.  :-\
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: sneoh on October 04, 2012, 12:44:55 PM
Replacement ankle too?  Two for the price of one! 
While they have you under, might as well get to everything.  Want a replacement knee?  Sure, throw that in too!! :)
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: strandman on October 04, 2012, 12:49:24 PM
The ankle is something I can't even think about... it's so complicated in the foot... rehab must be really bad.   Knees are holding up ok in spite of several scopes. A neighbor of mine had both shoulders done recently at age 71.... seems fine
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: OldEric on October 04, 2012, 05:22:06 PM
The ankle is something I can't even think about... it's so complicated in the foot... rehab must be really bad.   Knees are holding up ok in spite of several scopes. A neighbor of mine had both shoulders done recently at age 71.... seems fine

The last (3rd time's NOT a charm) time I did my right ankle I did a lot of research into replacements.  Had to give up running and even any serious hiking leaves it pretty sore.  Can't push off or jump - not that I ever could.  Anyway that was ~8 years ago and the artificial ankle technology just wasn't viable then.  Don't know if it has improved since then.  All the docs just recommended having it fused.  That will truly be a last resort for me.  So I hobble around.  Still not the limiting factor for the most part as far as climbing goes.

The bionic tendons in the left knee and right shoulder are holding up so far - but neither is even a year old.
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: eyebolter on October 04, 2012, 06:20:49 PM
The ankle is something I can't even think about... it's so complicated in the foot... rehab must be really bad.   Knees are holding up ok in spite of several scopes. A neighbor of mine had both shoulders done recently at age 71.... seems fine

The last (3rd time's NOT a charm) time I did my right ankle I did a lot of research into replacements.  Had to give up running and even any serious hiking leaves it pretty sore.  Can't push off or jump - not that I ever could.  Anyway that was ~8 years ago and the artificial ankle technology just wasn't viable then.  Don't know if it has improved since then.  All the docs just recommended having it fused.  That will truly be a last resort for me.  So I hobble around.  Still not the limiting factor for the most part as far as climbing goes.



I have the same problem from an ankle I exploded in a fall in Huntington's when I was 29.  Fortunately it doesn't bother me much except when I play basketball (not any longer) and in a long hike, especially with a side slope.  I suck on dynos off the left foot, but I can live with that.  All original parts still (despite the number of rap bolts placed) and hoping to keep them all.
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: steve weitzler on October 05, 2012, 07:22:40 AM
Guys you really need to stretch more, do yoga, core workouts and take other preventative measures. I broke both ankles (2 months apart) and have had my knee scoped twice.  Since I started taking preventative measures my body feels better and works better. I know Strand is going to comment on this in some way but really, it does make a difference as we get older (much older for some of us.)
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: JBro on October 05, 2012, 09:02:15 AM
+1 Yoga.

Having all those young chicks bending over and stretching in front of you keeps your boner exercised into your golden years.



 
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: Admin Al on October 05, 2012, 11:53:10 AM
I think that Jim Gagne's partner Michelle had an ankle replacement several years ago. I haven't heard how it went. I would imagine that the rehab is totally key. my father in-law had an ankle fusion about 18 months ago. he was almost unable to walk around and had enough pain that he was unable to sleep without painkillers. now he can walk, ride his bike and do most of what he wants to do and it's pretty much pain free. I think he's 73 this year.
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: OldEric on October 05, 2012, 01:12:04 PM
The problem - at least one problem - with an ankle fusion is that it shifts the stress to the other lower body joints of both legs.  Depending on what shape they are in and how much longer you live (sorry to be blunt but that's part of the equation) that might/might not be an issue.  Depending on what gets fused you probably won't be able to run any where near normal and won't have the flexibility to push off.
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: ELM on October 05, 2012, 04:56:51 PM
I am very happy to say ankle fusions are on the way out right now. Ankle replacements are coming into their own. I would still hold off a year or two before I advise any one to get one though. Most ortho Doc's haven't done many yet and there are new devices in the approval stages.
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: JakeDatc on October 05, 2012, 05:26:33 PM
Thanks for posting this.   we had a thread going on Whiteblaze  when it first happened and this one fills in a lot of details that were missing originally.   

now back to your regularly schedule geriatric joint discussions ;)    *hides*   
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: Bill on October 05, 2012, 09:14:45 PM
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now back to your regularly schedule geriatric joint discussions ;)    *hides*

Just wait Jake you young whippersnapper. Your time will come, your time will come.
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: JakeDatc on October 05, 2012, 10:24:40 PM
BUT  not yet :)  6 more  NH 4k's 
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: mechanicalchris on November 01, 2012, 08:33:11 AM
Two nights to Liberty Springs Campground!? 2.9 miles? 

If you're moving at 1.5 miles a day you probably should not be hiking at night, not above treeline, and definitely not alone. 
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: eyebolter on November 01, 2012, 05:12:06 PM
BUT  not yet :)  6 more  NH 4k's

I've had four boring ones left since 1976.   Once I started rock climbing, hiking up Mount Cabot sounded about as appealing as disco dancing.
Title: Re: Rescuers braved torrential rains, 80 mph winds to get hiker
Post by: sneoh on November 01, 2012, 07:24:10 PM
I've had four boring ones left since 1976.   Once I started rock climbing, hiking up Mount Cabot sounded about as appealing as disco dancing.
Think of it as a walk in the woods with Ella. 
Or training, with her on your back, up and down.  Do laps as necessary! :)