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Title: Thank You!
Post by: old_school on March 05, 2012, 01:21:26 pm
A big Thank You to all of you who have sent well wishes, positive comments and encouragement while I underwent some major shoulder surgery this past week. A brief update is that when they had me opened up they discovered that my rotator cuff was torn as well, so they decided (with the approval of my wife) to repair that also. They opened my shoulder up with a 4-5" incision to repair and rebuild the three torn ligaments in my AC joint using a graft and donor tissue (several plastic screws), they also had to shave off a good portion of my clavicle (clavicular reduction) and also had to drill several holes in the bone to properly anchor my labrum which was 70% torn away. I am in a sling for another week, but I get the stitches out and dressings removed on thursday in Franconia. Then it will be a long and arduous road to recovery. All said and done, I should be back climbing easy routes by the beginning of June if I progress through the PT program like I am hoping. Hell...I climbed right up to the day before my operation with no AC Joint, no Rotator cuff and a torn labrum...PT should be a piece of cake right??   :)

(http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee160/readyabout/shoulder.jpg)

Looking forward to sharing a rope with you guys this spring! Thanks again for everthing
Kindest Regards
Grammy
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Post by: David_G48 on March 05, 2012, 02:34:49 pm
Grammy
I missed that you were having surgery. May your PT go well with a speedy recovery. Let me know when you first start climbing again and maybe I can keep up with you for the first day or two.
Get Well!
David G
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Post by: DWT on March 05, 2012, 05:37:03 pm
Is that the new Avalung? Just kiddin' ;)
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Post by: old_school on March 05, 2012, 05:47:28 pm
Is that the new Avalung? Just kiddin' ;)

It is! New prototype but we are trying to keep it hush hush...
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Post by: Climber57r on March 05, 2012, 06:44:11 pm
Now I definately have something to say about not riding clipless on the trails. Speedy recovery man. See you on the rock in June for sure. : )
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: strandman on March 05, 2012, 06:44:26 pm
Is that the new Avalung? Just kiddin' ;)

Full of Sierra Nevada no doubt...    JUNE ?  Suck it it and come see me.. you'll be dead before June

sent you a pm
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: Jeff on March 05, 2012, 06:49:02 pm
Grammy: I know you can lift a pint left handed so let's get together this week! I'm around through March at least!
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Post by: tradmanclimbz on March 05, 2012, 06:54:33 pm
Best wishes from a fellow gimp...
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: old_school on March 05, 2012, 06:56:44 pm
Grammy: I know you can lift a pint left handed so let's get together this week! I'm around through March at least!
a pint or two Jeff...just got to get me off these pain killers!!  ;)

Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: slink on March 05, 2012, 07:23:02 pm
Hope you have a speedy recovery.I start PT Wed for a broken humorus.I am hoping that I do not need surgery myself,time will tell.See you out there soon.
 Jim
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: old_school on March 05, 2012, 07:36:19 pm
Hope you have a speedy recovery.I start PT Wed for a broken humorus.I am hoping that I do not need surgery myself,time will tell.See you out there soon.
 Jim

Oh man Jim...I hope you can avoid the knife as well. good luck to you bro and hope to see you out there strong as ever this Spring!
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Post by: bennybrew on March 05, 2012, 08:56:20 pm
DON'T DIE GRAMMY! :-*


 :)
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Post by: old_school on March 06, 2012, 05:55:03 am
DON'T DIE GRAMMY! :-*


 :)

 :)
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: Admin Al on March 06, 2012, 06:50:24 am
so how goes the battle Grammy? you should be making some progress by now... are you still teaching?
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: old_school on March 06, 2012, 07:30:19 am
so how goes the battle Grammy? you should be making some progress by now... are you still teaching?

Hey Al!

First day back at school yesterday. Making progress every day...slow progress, but progress nonetheless. I get the stitches out Thursday, X-rays and dressing removed...then I think I get to start PT. June is my target date to be back out on the rock...we will see!
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: old_school on March 08, 2012, 10:13:02 am
Stitches or Staples out today boys, dressing gets removed and I recieve my new marching orders. A step closer to tying in this spring!!!  :)
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Post by: old_school on March 09, 2012, 11:27:30 am
x-rays were good, only two stitches out as the rest are glued and steri-stripped. Bad news is I have to remain in this flipping sling for 6 more weeks!!!! Fek!!!!  :'(
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: apbt1976 on March 09, 2012, 01:56:09 pm
x-rays were good, only two stitches out as the rest are glued and steri-stripped. Bad news is I have to remain in this flipping sling for 6 more weeks!!!! Fek!!!!  :'(

Wow that is a long time in a sling. But in the end if it rakes care of all your issues it will be worth the sacrifice now ten fold.

I know i have been dealing with a few nagging injuries for a year now that at this point keep me from being as active as i would like to be. If i was told sixteen weeks and you will be 100% as hard as it would be i would do it hands down.

Hang tough man it will be over soon and you will be climbing harder for it in no time!!
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Post by: old_school on March 09, 2012, 02:02:59 pm
If i was told sixteen weeks and you will be 100% as hard as it would be i would do it hands down.
Hang tough man it will be over soon and you will be climbing harder for it in no time!!

Thanks man...June couldn't be farther away right now, but you have sound advice...100% correct! Thanks
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Post by: slink on March 09, 2012, 03:09:52 pm
Grammy so by the end of June you will start posting on the gear exchange again.Dale is going to have to put in overtime to pick up your slack :) I am moving with some pain still.
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: strandman on March 10, 2012, 01:24:26 pm
Grammy- are you going to be using the rubber bands for rehab ?  i used these extensively bitd and never had anymore problems,.. esp side pulls off a door jamb
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: perswig on March 10, 2012, 07:14:46 pm
Dale is going to have to put in overtime to pick up your slack

Slink, I do NOT need that kind of pressure.  I'm just one man, for god's sake.
Dale

(edit:  I'm an ass and forgot to say:  heal up quick and well, Grammy - I haven't had the pleasure of climbing with you yet.)
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: old_school on March 10, 2012, 08:35:51 pm
Hey John!
I have the therabands here at the house. I won't be able to do any of that for five more weeks. Then it will be light free weights, etc... until I will be confident I can get through a pitch or two.

Dale, we need to hook up. Maybe later this rock season. I am sure we have crossed paths out there but I am amazed that we have yet to meet. I think you have climbed with DPen a few times so we have mutual friends and partners. Fingers crossed I will be ready to pull down by June.
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Post by: strandman on March 12, 2012, 10:10:35 am
Good luck-- the bands really helped me out, but that was just chronic dislocations, not like your situation.

Nice scar ? 
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Post by: old_school on March 12, 2012, 10:13:02 am
Nice scar ?

Yep, three nice scars...
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Post by: Jeff on March 12, 2012, 10:31:57 am
Killer, Grammy; they say "Chicks dig scars".  8)
Now, about meeting for that (those?) pint(s)! Some late afternoon this week?
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Post by: strandman on March 12, 2012, 10:47:17 am
I call scars " old man tat's"
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: old_school on March 12, 2012, 11:06:03 am
Soon Jeff...soon!

I like the "tat" idea john.  I am covered in tats
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Post by: Jeff on March 12, 2012, 11:15:52 am
I call scars " old man tat's"
John, are those "chippies" attracted to "old man tats"?  ;D
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Post by: DWT on March 27, 2012, 08:26:10 am
How's the shoulder Grammy?
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: old_school on March 27, 2012, 08:37:37 am
How's the shoulder Grammy?

Still imobilized in a sling. I go in Thursday and am hoping for the green light to begin PT...but I think I am still 2-3 weeks shy of that. IT is driving me nuts...sleeping is the greatest challenge...I get about 4-5 hrs max...sucks, but I guess every passing day is a day closer to tying in...I am getting very impatient..lol
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Post by: Jeff on March 27, 2012, 04:05:21 pm
Imagine-- the sun's out, snow and ice are off the rocks and Grammy's impatient!! :-\  Wishing you the best and a total cure, my friend! I'm willing to sit next to you if you're off the heavy drugs so you can cry in your beer. I'll even buy the first one 8)  Woah, did I actually type that?  :-[
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: strandman on March 27, 2012, 06:41:27 pm
How's the shoulder Grammy?

Still imobilized in a sling. I go in Thursday and am hoping for the green light to begin PT...but I think I am still 2-3 weeks shy of that. IT is driving me nuts...sleeping is the greatest challenge...I get about 4-5 hrs max...sucks, but I guess every passing day is a day closer to tying in...I am getting very impatient..lol

I MAY  be out in early June-- we can do a f/a a s cripples ??? :-X

That might shake some folks up
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: old_school on March 27, 2012, 07:04:54 pm


I MAY  be out in early June-- we can do a f/a a s cripples ??? :-X

That might shake some folks up

Sweet! Yah buddy...Gimps on belay!
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: old_school on April 12, 2012, 09:51:58 am
For those of you interested...Almost 7 weeks out from surgery and have been in PT for two weeks. I can raise my hand/arm above my head, can brush my teeth, raise a coffee cup and hold a cell phone to my ear with the affected shoulder. Doesn't sound like much but I see progress and it is getting stronger every day. Hope to be out there at the end of April...climbing by May without question unless I experience some kind of unforseen setback. Sore as hell, but we are getting there.
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: David_G48 on April 12, 2012, 10:14:26 am
Chris
Glad to see that the progress of healing is moving along at a great pace. Looking forward to seeing you with Smear out at Humphries working some of your projects. Just don't go so fast as to damage the repairs, easy to do especially with someone who flirts the 5.12 range.
David G
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: old_school on April 12, 2012, 10:18:37 am
Chris
Glad to see that the progress of healing is moving along at a great pace. Looking forward to seeing you with Smear out at Humphries working some of your projects. Just don't go so fast as to damage the repairs, easy to do especially with someone who flirts the 5.12 range.
David G

Thanks David! My Dr and PT Have both told me the same thing. I am weeks ahead of Protocol..I think just because I can suck it up and move past the discomfort where most people might back off. It is a mixed blessing and my tendency is to push too hard at times and not listen to my body. I think May is a realistic goal as does my Dr. I think slabs wouldn't affect me too much so I think that is where I will start. Getting the footwork back and slowly start to get steeper as the strength increases. It won't be a ground breaking year for me, but that is fine...I just want to get out and move on stone...

Looking forward to seeing you out there my friend!   

~g
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Post by: Admin Al on April 12, 2012, 11:56:45 am
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Post by: old_school on April 12, 2012, 01:22:07 pm
 
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 :)
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Post by: Admin Al on April 12, 2012, 04:06:49 pm
I'm sure you have friends lined up, but if you want to get out and do something VERY easy I'm up for that...

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 :)
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: old_school on April 12, 2012, 04:10:07 pm
I'm sure you have friends lined up, but if you want to get out and do something VERY easy I'm up for that...

That would be great Al! perfect...
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Post by: OldEric on April 12, 2012, 04:30:01 pm
I'm curious if you know exactly what type of rotator cuff tear you had?  Choice of 4 different tendons (supraspinatus, infrasinpiatus, bicep and subscap) and typically 4 categories of severity (small - massive or 1 to 4).

I am ~8 weeks post op and can do approximately the same things as you from the sounds of it.  There is no way in hell my doc or the PR people are going to accelerate the protocol.  the schedule absolutely positively forbids climbing (or tennis etc.) for 6 months (mid August in my case).  I had the worst case scenario - massive tear of the subscap (not the common one.  Partial tears of the supra are what most people have when they say "rotator cuff tear") which was detached from the bone and retracted into the muscles.  Also a partial tear of the bicep.  Both those tendons were re-anchored in the surgery. 4 month delay between incident and surgery (giving time for the tendon and muscles to atrophy).  plus I am an old geezer (time is NOT on your side when it comes to growing new parts).   I might try accelerating the return to easy climbing once the PT exercises get more interesting in a month or so - but in reality this is a career altering if not ending situation for my climbing.  I'm sure I will climb again at some level but the odds are that it won't be at the prior level.  You can say all you want about toughing it out and positive mental attitudes but statistics really don't lie.
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: old_school on April 12, 2012, 04:36:36 pm
Not sure about the rotator cuff injury and the severity or what the name of it was...it was a surprise to me when I was in the recovery room as it was not part of the planned surgery. I had a full AC Joint reconstruction (three new ligaments...thank you dead person), and a 60% tear of the labrum. When they opened my shoulder up, they discovered my rotator cuff was also severely torn. I was 5-6 weeks in a sling (atrophy central), and now going on my third week of PT next Monday. Things feel tight, but there is no question I will be back.

Sounds like your rotator injury was more severe than mine. I climbed for 6 months with the shoulder all torn up with skin and muscle holding it together, so the way I look at it, it isn't going to be any worse after the repair   ;)

I am happy with the progress so far. Where are you doing PT Eric?

~g
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Post by: sneoh on April 12, 2012, 05:00:49 pm
I am 100% sure Eric will be back, perhaps not to the level a year ago but not too much below that I think.
Eric, remember it took you ~2 years to recover from your ankle/tibia break and how much ground you had to make up post surgery.  Nothing will be easy; you will have to adjust to the limited range of motion you have to contend with (like you have done so expertly post ankle injury).   Keep the faith, my friend.
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Post by: old_school on April 12, 2012, 05:10:13 pm
+ 1 sneoh!!! 
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Post by: OldEric on April 12, 2012, 05:40:17 pm
Thanks guys.  Waiting is the hardest part.  Gets me even crankier then normal.  One thing that makes me cranky - relating to the PT question - is the insurance hassles involved.  I had a major fight getting to go to the surgeon I wanted (one reason for the 4 month delay) and have not been able to get insurance ok to go to a PT place I would really like.  Up to this point I don't think it has made that much of a difference - what is being done - passive ROM stuff - anyone could do (well almost anyone) but when it comes time to get more aggressive and starting to push the strengthening - it would be nicer to be at a place that serviced athletes in general (if not climbers in particular) and got the athletic mindset.

One thing that I have fought for and won was getting the actual surgeon's write-up/report of what was found and done.  I think they are pretty much required to give it to you if you demand it (although the paranoid would think there is a good chance it could be sanitized before you got it).  that should answer exactly what was found and done to your rotator cuff as well as any "interesting" things that happened while they were in there.
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Post by: old_school on April 12, 2012, 06:35:45 pm
Thanks guys.  Waiting is the hardest part.  Gets me even crankier then normal.  One thing that makes me cranky - relating to the PT question - is the insurance hassles involved.

I hear that. What was the cause of your injury? Sounds pretty bad so there must have been an event that caused it? Was it done on the job or out at play?

I hope you are able to return to close to the same form you were at prior to the surgery. I think we will have to catch up for a beer after a climb and toast to technology...and old farts that won't quit! 
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Post by: David_G48 on April 12, 2012, 07:27:07 pm
Hey Old School,
During rehab if you need someone to climb with you at an easy level I am available. I do not work and will be available while I rehab one of my climbing regular partners.
David
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Post by: old_school on April 12, 2012, 07:29:29 pm
Deal David!!  ;)
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Post by: strandman on April 12, 2012, 08:15:40 pm
Shit grammy, between you Eric and Rubin it's gonna be the walking wounded tour of Whitehorse slabs. :-\ Maybe i should add to the mess ?

Eric- what did Joe landry have done years ago ? All I remember was shoulder.
Title: Re: Thank You!
Post by: old_school on April 12, 2012, 08:19:12 pm
Shit grammy, between you Eric and Rubin it's gonna be the walking wounded tour of Whitehorse slabs. :-\ Maybe i should add to the mess ?

Eric- what did Joe landry have done years ago ? All I remember was shoulder.

Lmao...sticky shoes, white hair and depends! The stuff that heroes are made of!!  :)
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Post by: sneoh on April 12, 2012, 08:45:10 pm
Eric- what did Joe landry have done years ago ? All I remember was shoulder.
Eric might have more details but Joe have/had terrible shoulder problems.  Not sure what the root causes were but he would "dislocate" his shoulder once in a while while climbing.  It happened once when we were climbing together.  He had me help him 'pop' it back in.  Freaky!  I thought I was going to do permanent damage doing what he asked me to.
I saw Joe about a month ago under rather sad circumstances - death of someone we knew - he hasn't climbed in a very long time.  Looked fit as ever and I bet he really is fit!!
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Post by: OldEric on April 12, 2012, 09:57:20 pm
Yeah I talked to Joe about it at that event.  He was encouraging - saying I'd find ways to "compensate".  At this point I don't think even he remembers exactly what he had done.  The technology has improved a lot though.  In my case they got to use brand new "anchors" that just became available a few months ago - don't know what they do - dissolve better?

Yeah I did it at play - climbing.  The shoulder has been dodgy for a long time - I haven't been able to throw hard (some would say I never could) for 5 years.  But in this case I was doing a sort of mantle move pushing down with my right arm while fully stretching up with my left.  Foot smear popped and I went down on the right arm fighting it all the way.  So the right arm went through a slow motion 180 degrees trying to hold on - fail.  30 minutes later I am in the car trying to figure out how to turn the key...
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Post by: sneoh on April 12, 2012, 11:16:33 pm
Yeah I talked to Joe about it at that event.  He was encouraging - saying I'd find ways to "compensate".
Definitely true.  I have found less-than-ideal ways to compensate for my left wrist injury and limited ROM, just as you have for your repaired ankle.  We all do what we can to stay in the game. 
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Post by: strandman on April 13, 2012, 11:14:28 am
I know the event your talking about.. very  sad.

I have compensated for years about my sad OW "skills"  just not very well.
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Post by: M_Sprague on April 13, 2012, 12:32:03 pm
Take heart, Eric. You can always start building your bingo skills while you are healing.