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Title: shoes
Post by: hobbsj on April 22, 2012, 08:35:53 AM
I'm the kinda guy who buys five pairs of running shoes when the model I like is discontinued.  So, needless to say that its been a while since I looked in to the climbing shoe market.  I love my Cobras, but they've been resoled enough that I don't think they'll make another season.  What are the kids climbing in these days?  My cobras are older and stretched out, so not the super tight aggressive fit people think of with a lot of slippers.  Any recommendations?  I climb mostly crack and face stuff.  I love the convenience of a slipper, but also like the ability to loosen up a lace up.  Thought maybe velcro would be good, but could see it coming undone with some foot jams, plus it seems most velcro shoes are super aggressive.  And I prefer brands sold at EMS and REI for ease of return if needed rather than the "super limited run through a guy you know if Europe" type stuff.  Any recommendations are appreciated.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: sneoh on April 22, 2012, 08:56:30 AM
Try the Phyton or Katana.  Both have velcro.  Neither is super aggressive.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: strandman on April 22, 2012, 01:07:49 PM
I like my red chili's but they may be harder to find
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: DLottmann on April 22, 2012, 05:20:13 PM
Loving my Five Ten VMile’s. Bit pricey and out of stock at EMS at the moment, but available for special order. These are new this year and they look promising;

http://www.ems.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3931620&cp=3677347.12850501.12850510
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: ELM on April 22, 2012, 08:54:35 PM
I have limited shoe experiance but the La Sportive TC pro's are just an amazing shoe. Look at the thread here comparing the TC pro and the Mythos and there is more info.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: Admin Al on April 22, 2012, 10:24:18 PM
TC Pro ++
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: Admin Al on April 22, 2012, 10:25:33 PM
I was climbing in these a couple of days ago and realized that they were edging well, and then when I put my foot on a nubbin I could really feel it through the rubber. it made me feel very confident.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: apbt1976 on April 22, 2012, 10:35:11 PM
John for what it is worth i returned those Katanas to Ems and got a full credit.

I know have a pair of TC Pros and a pair of mythos on order in three sizes each shoe in hopes of getting it right this time.

I have tons of time to dork out on the interweb or at least i find the time and it seems the form what i can tell people really like the TCpro if it fits your foot?

Also i tried on the Cobras you wear and tbh they felt pretty darn good to me. I have seen em on sale for like $80 as of late.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: hobbsj on May 02, 2012, 01:05:45 PM
Any thoughts on the lave up Miura?  I want to try the TCPRO and Mythos on, but the Portland EMS doesn't have them in.  The Miura felt solid, but also seems like it could be a bit excessively aggresive.  ANy thoughts?
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: sneoh on May 02, 2012, 01:35:12 PM
I have a very old (on third resole) lace-up Miura and they have been my go-to shoes for a very long time. They are very good on edges and durable.  My failure on any thin-face is not because of them, I can tell you.  Now that they are completely broken-in (and more), I can smear OK with them and climb steep boulder problems with them as well.
My new shoe is Katana Lace.  You might want to check it out too.  I find it only slightly more aggressive than the Miura lace-up but the Katana is narrower.  And it is an edging monster while they are not 100% borken in yet. 
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on May 04, 2012, 10:03:30 AM
Any thoughts on the lave up Miura?  I want to try the TCPRO and Mythos on, but the Portland EMS doesn't have them in.  The Miura felt solid, but also seems like it could be a bit excessively aggresive.  ANy thoughts?

Miura is my #1 go to shoe as well. Far less aggressive than they look. Very comfortable and very precise. They stopped using the Vibram XS Grip and now use the XS edge (which is the rubber used on the TC Pros). I don't like it nearly as much as the XS Grip... as it is less sticky and less sensitive, but it will be longer wearing and will edge on a dime! Definitely one to seriously consider that is equally at home on Cathedral or Rumney!
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: apbt1976 on May 04, 2012, 10:37:08 AM
Any thoughts on the lave up Miura?  I want to try the TCPRO and Mythos on, but the Portland EMS doesn't have them in.  The Miura felt solid, but also seems like it could be a bit excessively aggresive.  ANy thoughts?

Miura is my #1 go to shoe as well. Far less aggressive than they look. Very comfortable and very precise. They stopped using the Vibram XS Grip and now use the XS edge (which is the rubber used on the TC Pros). I don't like it nearly as much as the XS Grip... as it is less sticky and less sensitive, but it will be longer wearing and will edge on a dime! Definitely one to seriously consider that is equally at home on Cathedral or Rumney!

My shoe saga also continues. I feel like figuring out a proper rock shoe fit kinda goes hand and hand with learning to climb rock.

I had the miura VS on at a local shop yesterday and on a wall. Man those shoes are sweet little machines!

My question "Old School i show do you size yours. I am a 45 in LS sneakers and boots. But had the had to down size the Miura to a 42.5 to get a nice fit in the heel and bottom of my foot. Does that seem a bit much to you 2.5 sizes o is that kinda normal?
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: tradchick on May 04, 2012, 06:23:14 PM
Another vote for the miuras.  I didn't size down on mine at all but they aren't this years shoe either.  I have worn different sizes depending on the year I bought them.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on May 04, 2012, 07:15:15 PM
My question "Old School i show do you size yours. I am a 45 in LS sneakers and boots. But had the had to down size the Miura to a 42.5 to get a nice fit in the heel and bottom of my foot. Does that seem a bit much to you 2.5 sizes o is that kinda normal?

I loved my VS's by the way! No, 2.5 doesn't seem strange. I wear a 45 as well (shoe size a pretty solid 11) and the 42.5's are perfect for me in both the TC Pros and the Miuras. The Miuras will relax but wont stretch the way the TC's seem to. It's weird because I take an 11 in five ten! The sizes are all over the frigging place..lol
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: sneoh on May 04, 2012, 07:59:49 PM
Yeah sizing can be rather inconsistent, even within a brand;
when I wore Mythos, I would size downsize them by 1.5 to 2.0 sizes.  For my one pair of Miura, I downsized by 1.0 and it still killed my feet for years (I can only have them on for < 1.5 hours even after 3 resoles).  For the Katana Lace, after some discussion with DougM at a shoe demo, I only downsized by 0.5 and they are TIGHT (especially width wise).  So far, it has been strictly a 1-pitch shoe.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: apbt1976 on May 04, 2012, 09:44:58 PM
Man i got a giant quiver of shoes going out with me this weekend. It's kinda silly but i just want this figured out once and for all and my credit card credited back!

My street shoe a 45...

I have a pair of Tc Pros in a 44 with a little hollow dead space in the heel and under the arch but only when i point my toes. At this point i think they are going back for a 43-43.5 As is now i barely have any toe curl on my larger foot and my smaller foot my toes are dead flat. Being i want this to be a all day shoe i imagine this is how i want them to fit after they have stretched. I am thinking of going all the way down to 43. Got them from BackCountry so i have no problems playing with size till i get it right.

Then this afternoon i picked up a pair of Muira Vs's in a 43. I tried the 42.5 and it almost went with them. However they really had my larger foot torqued in there really really tight. Even in a 43 all of my toes are pretty dam crunched up in a 43on both feet except my big toes that is. Ow yeah i have mortons toe really bad so just scrunching my other toes up to be even with my big toe is pretty extreme.

None of this fitting shoes tight so they can stretch to size long term does anything for my achilles and planters problems to say the least. Eh what are you gonna do though as the foot problems seem to be here to stay anyway. I def want my $170 shoes to fit right in 2-3 months time and forever at that matter.

If all fails i have my trusty now all stretched out 5.10  Coyotes. They are just ow so comfy but feel sloppy as hell when i get on harder stuff in comparison to the Miura or Tc Pro. I can however struggle my way up harder stuff in them so who knows how this all will end?

We shall see if nothing else i am sure i will have fun trying to figure it out. Gotta love a no questions asked return policy. I even went so far as to ask BackCountry if they cared people doing this with rock sheos and they said "no please by all means test away"!!!

Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on May 07, 2012, 10:10:32 AM
good luck with that. I think part of the fun is trying them out. The quality has gotten much better over the years of all shoe manufacturers, so it is really hard to find a lousy pair of shoes. There are still a few companies out there whose product I am not a big fan of, but for the most part...as long as they fit, they will do the job!
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: strandman on May 07, 2012, 06:15:16 PM
It really sucks that Acopa isn't around anymore.. great shoes AND you could speak to the MAN (Bachar) pretty much at any time. I bought my first Fire's from him in"82 and he really knew his shit about shoes.
If you can get a pair online, I HIGHLY say the JB's and really the Legends.. best shoe i have ever had
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: ELM on May 07, 2012, 07:22:22 PM
The Acopa site is still up but it's really just a shell. I've poked around and you can still find most of the models...sizes may be sparse. I really considered the JB before I settled on the TC Pro.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on May 08, 2012, 06:36:10 AM
It really sucks that Acopa isn't around anymore.. great shoes AND you could speak to the MAN (Bachar) pretty much at any time. I bought my first Fire's from him in"82 and he really knew his shit about shoes.
If you can get a pair online, I HIGHLY say the JB's and really the Legends.. best shoe i have ever had

+1. Totally agree. He was always helpful and available and his passion for the sport could be felt in his shoes. I finally sold my Merlins and it was a sad day. IT was a bit strange how the company just kind of folded though...no announcements and the web site is still up but seemingly trapped in time.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: strandman on May 08, 2012, 07:30:23 PM
Sometimes i feel 'trapped in time"...

I just put on my Legends and it was like slipping into a nice easy chair. Fucking perfect
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: sneoh on May 28, 2012, 12:23:22 AM
I finally got my Katana Lace broken in and no longer too uncomfortable.  I have to say I think they are the best technical shoe I have ever worn (compared to Mythos, Mocs, Miura Lace).  I had the strange feeling today that I am not good enough to push the shoe to its limit. They were rock solid and confident on even the smallest downward sloping mini-edge I had them on today.  I just hope they won't stretch out anymore. 
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: strandman on May 29, 2012, 09:05:58 AM
Oh they will stretch out.. :) and then you will become a slab climbin' fool !!!
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on May 29, 2012, 10:31:56 AM
I finally got my Katana Lace broken in and no longer too uncomfortable.  I have to say I think they are the best technical shoe I have ever worn (compared to Mythos, Mocs, Miura Lace).  I had the strange feeling today that I am not good enough to push the shoe to its limit. They were rock solid and confident on even the smallest downward sloping mini-edge I had them on today.  I just hope they won't stretch out anymore.

Getting a pair today to replace my miuras!  ;)
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: sneoh on May 29, 2012, 10:53:47 AM
Grammy, hope you like them!  Let me know.  The one feature some new technical shoes have that is totally unsuitable for me is aggressive toe-down combined with "toe-in" asymmetry. I found the Miura VS (which has this combo) to be very uncomforable.  The Katana Lace has zero or near-zero asymmetry.  That was my primary reason for picking them up.

John, unless the soles flattened out, the KL will never be a good slab shoe.  They have a slight but definite toe-down.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on May 29, 2012, 02:19:35 PM
Hey Sneoh!

Just ended up buying a pair of Scarpa Instincts (clearance) for $67 with free shipping...couldn't pass it up and have been hearing good things about them as well. If they don't fit, I know I can sell them for close to that and then will go get the Katanas. Will keep you posted.

Still miss my Merlins and B3's!  :-[
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: strandman on May 29, 2012, 06:21:25 PM
Acopa legends can still be found.. full price $159

best shoe i have owned.. even better than mega's   :-\
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on May 29, 2012, 08:41:11 PM
Acopa legends can still be found.. full price $159

best shoe i have owned.. even better than mega's   :-\

Oh god..remember the megas...I bought mine at 41.5...I have a size 11+ foot. you could edge on a moth's wings with those things. Never felt so much pain in my life though!! lol
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: sneoh on May 29, 2012, 09:38:59 PM
True story: I saw someone doing sport routes at Rumney wearing Mega's last year or back in 2010.  None of the 'kids' knew what shoe they were.  LOL. 
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: strandman on May 30, 2012, 09:30:24 AM
Somebody just was selling a new pair . 39.5.... my old size... I'm 10.5 street.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on May 30, 2012, 01:34:34 PM
LOL...after climbing in Fires and Calmas for a few years..the Megas seemed like they were created by aliens. Couldn't believe how precise they were. I remember watching Stefan Glowacz send "to bolt or not to be" at smith with the Megas...the dude stopped half way up to remove his shirt and went on to get the send....amazing!
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on June 03, 2012, 05:48:10 PM
Been using the Scarpa Vapor V's and now the Instincts and I have to tell you I am digging them! Heinz still knows his shit! ;)
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: terminusnout on June 07, 2012, 05:51:00 PM
As a recent Sportiva convert I would highly suggest the Katana Lace: Not too down turned but aggressive enough for sport climbing or hard gear routes. For bouldering and thin crack I keep a well maintained pair of Cobras, they are sensitive but not to an extent where toe pain is an issue. I just bought a pair of Tarantulace while advertised as a novice/intermediate shoe provide ample, comfortable support but able to edge and smear up thin Whitehorse slabs.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: sneoh on June 07, 2012, 09:32:12 PM
As a recent Sportiva convert I would highly suggest the Katana Lace: Not too down turned but aggressive enough for sport climbing or hard gear routes.
Another Katana Lace convert!  Glad to know and well deserved.
As I had mentioned, last time out, I really felt that I was "letting the shoes down" by not climbing harder.  Just 3 months ago, I could not have imagined a shoe that is so much better for me than the highly regarded Miuras.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on June 08, 2012, 07:16:49 AM
Another Katana Lace convert!  Glad to know and well deserved.

Came very close to pulling the trigger on a pair of these. Got a great price on the Instincts which are a similar shoe. Let me know how you guys like those Katana laces!
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: Joe_Re on June 08, 2012, 07:52:02 AM
I've had a pair of Nagos for almost two years and they're finally ready for a resole/retiring.  Man, they climb very well.  I've climbed harder and harder over the winter and while throwing myself at V this and that in the gym (in old worn shoes), I've noticed their (my?) limits.  On rope I haven't found their limits cause I don't climb hard enough.  I think I've gotten to the point that two pair of shoes may be the ticket, but I just can't help but wonder about the folks who were pushing grades (12s &13s) twenty plus years ago in the shoes they did and how much of this is really shoes and how much is me needing to climb more.

Joe.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on June 08, 2012, 10:58:22 AM
but I just can't help but wonder about the folks who were pushing grades (12s &13s) twenty plus years ago in the shoes they did and how much of this is really shoes and how much is me needing to climb more.

Joe.

counts for a great deal, that is for sure!  ;)  +1
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: strandman on June 09, 2012, 01:12:06 PM
I was neverable to outclimb the old boreal Vectors with S2 rubber.. I tried.

When mega's came out, things like Airation got easier because you could stand on the nubbers better. So much hard crack climbing in NE is footwork.

Soon- when your shoes get floppy, i got some 12 slab you can onsight    :-\
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: sneoh on June 09, 2012, 03:36:57 PM
Soon- when your shoes get floppy, i got some 12 slab you can onsight    :-\
I have ZERO chance making it on this, John.
Anyone remember the Sportiva Kendos?  I saw Whitey climb impressive stuff/routes with these.  I think they were around about the same time as Megas.


Title: Re: shoes
Post by: strandman on June 09, 2012, 04:42:17 PM
Kendo's made mega's seem as comfy as bedroom slippers
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on June 09, 2012, 11:27:23 PM
Kendo's made mega's seem as comfy as bedroom slippers

Why did they ever stop making those shoes????

Loved the Boreal vectors too. Those bumped my climbing up two grades. I wept the day I blew out of them...again....discontinued... <sigh>

Loved my Scarpa Instincts today though...fantastic shoe! Getting out again tomorrow to help them stretch!
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: sneoh on June 09, 2012, 11:47:18 PM
Vectors ... are they the black and pink shoes from the early 90's?  Soft, almost slipper like?
Boreal still makes the Ace in one form or another.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on June 10, 2012, 06:58:09 AM
Vectors ... are they the black and pink shoes from the early 90's?  Soft, almost slipper like?
Boreal still makes the Ace in one form or another.

Those were the Lasers sneoh...another decent little shoe. The Vectors were black a purple. Very soft leather that molded to your foot, and they edged on a dime. Amazing little shoe back in the day.
(http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee160/readyabout/5Le5I35Fa3Md3L23Nfc5hbe4c35a5858512ab.jpg)
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: strandman on June 11, 2012, 09:17:32 AM
Damn it G- those look brand new !!! How much ? What size ????
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on June 11, 2012, 09:30:24 AM
Damn it G- those look brand new !!! How much ? What size ????

Blew out of mine years ago bro....these I ripped off from the net! I remember sending the utility crack boulder at the pound in Rumney and never once felt like I was gong to peel. I miss some of these old designs....the kendo specifically!  :-\
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: hobbsj on June 12, 2012, 04:40:56 PM
Since the TC pro's seem to be popular and the doc said the aggressive bend would actually be better for my hurt hoof,  how much do they stretch in your experience?  How about the miura lace?  I think I've narrowed it down to those two.  The rain has given me the luxury of taking my time with this major decision.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: apbt1976 on June 12, 2012, 05:22:20 PM
Tc pro is next to flat imo and not very aggressive. You could size them way down and get some good performance out of them though. I really wish they had fit my foot as they seem like a sweet all day shoe. My foot is way low volume and in the length i need for a proper fit the laces nearly pull together.

Muira lace also imop is not a very aggressive shoe. If you are looking for aggressive as in nice full arch support "for that foot problem of yours" i would look more at shoes like the Solutions, Pythons or Futuras sized way way down as to hold your foot in a arched position.

Just my two cents and what has worked for my splayed rapidly flattening tired old feet.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on June 12, 2012, 06:22:02 PM
Scarpa Magos and La Sportiva Testarosas are also a very aggressive downturned shape. I have the Magos and can attest to that! Plus I have found that the Magos seem to be holding their shape. May want to check those out as well.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: ELM on June 12, 2012, 09:01:48 PM
The TC pro stretched about 1/4 a size for me. The only issue I had was the tongue trying to curl at first. Overall the bend is not that bad. The bend is bad enough that they make a poor slab shoe for me, cannot get my foot flat: I only use them face climbing. At that they are amazing. I was cleaning pro a few weeks back and just rested my foot on a small edge, barely two nickels wide...when I went to go I weighted the foot not thinking and cringed expecting to roll off but they held me there on that tiny edge like glue. Never sure if I'll climb as well as they can.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: sneoh on June 12, 2012, 11:52:43 PM
The amount of toe-down is only one consideration.  You will also want check out the side-to-side asymmetry of the toe box.  Most aggressive shoes also quite a bit of 'toe-in' in addition to a healthy dose of toe-down.  For example, I cannot wear the Miura VS because I found that the 'toe-in' to be too much for me.  The Katana Lace has sufficient toe-down (same P3 platform as Solution, TC Pro, etc) but almost no 'toe-in' so I went with them.  A friend of mine told that the Phyton has quite a bit of 'toe-in' too.  YMMV so check them out for yourself.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on July 02, 2012, 01:00:37 PM
4 weeks with the Scarpa Instincts and I will never look back! Best shoes I have ever worn. Now I need to figure out a way to afford another pair!!! ;)
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: xcrag_corex on July 15, 2012, 11:25:21 PM
anybody know of a shop around here that might sell the new evolve astromans? they seem like a similar style to the tc pros but a little closer to affordable for me. i avoid ordering shoes online because i have weird feet and it would cost an arm and a leg and take forever to play the red rover shoes through the mail game. any insight would help. thanks
-Jeremy
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: Admin Al on July 16, 2012, 06:52:06 AM
ELM: strange what you said about the TC Pro being too curved for slab. I use them for slab and face all the time. Climbed all the routes on the Little Slab at Found Ledge last Thursday and they were great. Jeff L did the same. I've never thought of them as having much of a curve. I guess YMMV!
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: ELM on July 16, 2012, 08:53:34 AM
Al I saw you last year on Whitehorse wearing them. I found I just could not get my foot flat enough for slab. I will say that this was when they were newer and now they are more broken in. This year is not a good year feet wise for me but I will give them another go at it..... :)
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on July 16, 2012, 09:54:47 AM
Al I saw you last year on Whitehorse wearing them. I found I just could not get my foot flat enough for slab. I will say that this was when they were newer and now they are more broken in. This year is not a good year feet wise for me but I will give them another go at it..... :)

I have found them to be a really nice edging shoe, and excellent in cracks, but I feel that they are just too stiff and insensitive to be a good slab shoe. I can't feel anything under my feet when I am wearing them...I just have to trust that they will stick where I put them.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: Admin Al on July 16, 2012, 06:51:48 PM
that's so weird to hear... I have been using them on hardish slab all year and was just thinking that I could feel everything through them. maybe my feet are hypersensitive. [wry grin]
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: sneoh on July 17, 2012, 11:28:51 PM
4 weeks with the Scarpa Instincts and I will never look back! Best shoes I have ever worn. Now I need to figure out a way to afford another pair!!! ;)
Grammy, are your Instincts the Velcro or slipper version? 
I am consider the slipper for gym and bouldering. 
How did you size yours?
Thanks for all the tips you can provide.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on July 18, 2012, 11:54:02 AM
Grammy, are your Instincts the Velcro or slipper version? 
I am consider the slipper for gym and bouldering. 
How did you size yours?
Thanks for all the tips you can provide.

The scarpa sizes run a bit smaller than Sportiva. I would almost equate my 43.5 Instinct to the 42.5 Miura...scarpa may feel a bit roomier? I probably could have gone with the 44 in the Instinct but went with the tighter fit, and they have broken in nicely. I have the velcro Vapor V's in a 44, but found that they really dug onto my heels...as they have a somewhat aggressive heel cup that sits a bit lower than the miuras or similar shoes. I really have to say that these are hands down the best shoes I have worn to date and they perform equally well on slab, thin face and thin cracks.I may buy another pair in a larger size...perhaps 44.5 for all day use and guiding.

Hope that helps?
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: sneoh on September 13, 2012, 11:30:47 PM
Got my new Scarpa Vapor V broken in.  Good shoe, too bad it does not fit me just right; toe box is a little too narrow and the heel is bit too big.  Overall still very good, just not as good for me as Katana Lace (both same size).  One advantage the Vapor has over the Katana is the the rubber.  XS Grip 2 is crazy sticky.

I am happy that I got the Vapor V at a very good price. 
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on September 14, 2012, 12:27:12 PM
Got my new Scarpa Vapor V broken in.  Good shoe, too bad it does not fit me just right; toe box is a little too narrow and the heel is bit too big.  Overall still very good, just not as good for me as Katana Lace (both same size).  One advantage the Vapor has over the Katana is the the rubber.  XS Grip 2 is crazy sticky.

I am happy that I got the Vapor V at a very good price.

Vapor V didn't quite fit me right either, though I did like them very much which is why I switched to the Instinct instead. A little more volume in the forefoot and the heel fit much better, plus I can use the laces to tweak the fit that much more. I too love the XS Grip 2, great stuff!

Title: Re: shoes
Post by: sneoh on September 14, 2012, 02:02:12 PM
Excellent feedback, Grammy. Thanks! I might just get the Instincts now since they are currently on sale.
Title: Re: shoes
Post by: old_school on September 14, 2012, 06:32:33 PM
Excellent feedback, Grammy. Thanks! I might just get the Instincts now since they are currently on sale.

You got it bro!   ;)