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Title: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: eyebolter on August 28, 2013, 06:58:25 PM
Damned impressive lead, so why tilt it to make it look overhanging?  Climbing mag had a shot of some chick leading seventh seal and it looked like it was dead vertical.  Havent done it in a while but it was full on slab as far as i remember.  Is reality not impressive enough?
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: Admin Al on August 28, 2013, 08:39:15 PM
I posted it the way I got it...
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: tradmanclimbz on August 29, 2013, 06:48:18 AM
It is very difficult to get proper perspective when takeing climbing photos.  seems like most of the time i get my camera from my partner after my best lead and all the photos look flat as the little kids majick carpet at the ski hill. Without an arcitectual shift lens getting correct perspective is not an easy task and for every shot that looks tilted too steep there are 10 shots that look flat as a pancake. No one wants to see the flat as a pancake photo so we publish the steep looking shot.
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: eyebolter on August 29, 2013, 05:25:12 PM
Agreed Tradman, but "proper perspective" on a vertical climb isn't 20 degrees overhanging (look at the trees), and on Seventh Seal it sure as hell isn't dead vertical.   Hell, why not make seventh seal a roof?    That would be really impressive for a 5.10.

Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: strandman on August 29, 2013, 07:07:14 PM
If Stagefright WAS overhanging, you might not hit the ledge when you fall off..just Thin Air
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: kenreville on August 29, 2013, 09:07:09 PM
Using the trees as a vertical "reality" check really isn't that difficult when framing a shot. That picture would be just as impressive a shot had it been framed properly IMO.
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: DLottmann on August 29, 2013, 09:22:27 PM
That picture would be just as impressive a shot had it been framed properly IMO.

Agreed, but I also don't think in this shot they were intentionally making it look steeper.

First world problems eh?
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: sneoh on August 29, 2013, 09:26:51 PM
Damn, it must be a slow news week or a lack of bolt controversies for us to get worked up over the pic which was sent to Al.  How about bitching about the bad weather predicted for this weekend instead?  Darn it, I was hoping to get a good couple of days in .....
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: kenreville on August 29, 2013, 10:38:15 PM
Slow drivers and traffic. Now that gets me aggravated.

Bad weather? Find a suitable activity. Can't let it get ya down. :)


 
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: eyebolter on August 30, 2013, 04:40:14 PM
Damn, it must be a slow news week or a lack of bolt controversies for us to get worked up over the pic which was sent to Al.  How about bitching about the bad weather predicted for this weekend instead?  Darn it, I was hoping to get a good couple of days in .....

I'm not worked up, but it came on the heels of that rock and ice pic of seventh seal which was just silly.   We used to laugh at the reinhold messner photos showing porter"s packs tipped out by 20 degrees to make it look steeper.   Just asking for a little true perspective in photos is all.   Else we are heading towards the monty python skit where they are "rock climbing" pounding pitons in on a sidewalk.   A photo of leading Stage Fright is plenty impressive enough without tilting the camera.

Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: perry on August 30, 2013, 05:25:19 PM
For christ's sake! If you had seen his previous toprope attempt you wouldnt have been worrying about proper perspective. After seeing him quake and fall off 3 times and fuck up the gear, I wasn't sure if I was about to capture a historic ascent or a historic groundfall. When you're ready for your stage fright lead, I'll be sure to bring up the perspective correction lens, a level, and compass and set up on a special line to the right of Aeration just for you.

Climbing photography is hard, let's go shopping!

Now that were out of things to complain about, lets all go climbing instead?
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: eyebolter on August 30, 2013, 05:47:18 PM
Perry, if your shot is happenstance then I have no problem with it.  I know shooting climbs is hard, i have done it myself.  Like I said this is coming on the heels of the shot of that dead vertical seventh seal in climbing,  and what I perceive  to be the deliberate sensationalization of climbing photogrpahy. Apologies if that was not your intent.
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: strandman on August 30, 2013, 06:09:51 PM
Perry- maybe you should tilt it the other way so it looks like a fuckin' slab 8)

I think it's a good shot of an impressive send, gotta grab the action  when you can
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: sneoh on August 30, 2013, 06:56:14 PM
.... gotta grab the action  when you can
This is right on the money.

I take pretty good pics of things which do not move fast and shots which are not action oriented.
I am lousy (but getting better) at action shots and taking good pics of my kid.  Thank goodness for digital cameras.  If not, I would have thrown way prolly a hundred rolls worth of prints just the last five years combined.
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: tradmanclimbz on September 02, 2013, 06:02:35 PM
This shot from friday is a perfect example of the norm for grab and go climbing shots. the climb is a little bit past verticle at this point. If you look closely at the draw just above Isa it does not lay on the rock it actually hangs a little bit away from the rock yet this photo makes it look flatter than beginners rt on Whitehorse. If there was a way i could have tilted the camera to get a decent shot while belaying  i would have been all over it ;)
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: kenreville on September 02, 2013, 08:23:06 PM
This shot from friday is a perfect example of the norm for grab and go climbing shots. the climb is a little bit past verticle at this point. If you look closely at the draw just above Isa it does not lay on the rock it actually hangs a little bit away from the rock yet this photo makes it look flatter than beginners rt on Whitehorse. If there was a way i could have tilted the camera to get a decent shot while belaying  i would have been all over it ;)

You've got a bad eye if you think that picture looks anything close to Beginner's Route on WH.

Looks hard IMO.

Nice pik BTW.
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: tradmanclimbz on September 02, 2013, 09:17:30 PM
It is hard but that photo looks totally flat compared to the actual climb....
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: sneoh on September 02, 2013, 11:02:53 PM
The effect is due to perspective distortion.  Think how pics to tall buildings tend to make the building look slimmer at the top and a sense that it is tilting backwards. Architects, among others, use a "shift" lens to "correct" the perspective before the pic is taken/imaged.  Or, in this day and age of digital cameras, one can use a tool like Photoshop to correct the photo's perspective (in Raw format only I believe) at the cost of some image quality loss, especially near the top where most correction is needed to "restore" the perspective.


Or just enjoy the shot for what it is and give it a caption "steeper than it looks"!! :)

Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: tradmanclimbz on September 03, 2013, 06:19:36 AM
there is also the foreshortening efect of most buttshotsthat make the climb looks shorter and the gear much closer together....
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: climbnplay on September 03, 2013, 06:10:41 PM
man...i didn't even notice the angle until you mentioned it.  ;) :o i considered it a face climb, and i thought the picture properly captured the heat/peace of the moment. Thanks again to Perry for the money shot - if you knew him in person, you wouldn't think he'd tilt the lens intentionally just for dramatization.

p.s. doing this route turned out to be a great mental preparation for Welsh slabs in Pembrokeshire! There was not a single bolt to be found anywhere on the blank slate slabs...some routes were done by duct-taping skyhooks to little incut crimps....and the crazy thing is, the routes were so good, they make you consider that a reasonable option!
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: kenreville on September 03, 2013, 10:39:48 PM
For pullin off that, YOUR picture gets a pass.

Just don't let it happen again.

Ha.
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: Admin Al on September 05, 2013, 12:21:06 PM
Does the current one meet with approval?   ;)
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: eyebolter on September 05, 2013, 12:33:20 PM
Does the current one meet with approval?   ;)

Great shot....other than that Surette guy, lol.  Can you photoshop him out?


Like I said I'm sorry, the previous photographer didn't tilt the camera deliberately as I mistakenly thought.
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: Admin Al on September 05, 2013, 01:29:12 PM
Great shot....other than that Surette guy, lol.  Can you photoshop him out?

LOL...
Title: Re: What is with the cover shot?
Post by: strandman on September 05, 2013, 01:57:32 PM
Does the current one meet with approval?   ;)
It's not really that steep..oh that's right , it is