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Title: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: Bill on July 12, 2013, 09:10:50 pm
So the other night I'm heading up West Side Road and my buddy says I should slow down.  He says that there have been speed traps on it lately.  BS I say in all the years I have been driving up and down this thing I have never seen a cop.  Well you can guess the rest.  The cop was the damn nicest person.  He was really a very nice and pleasant guy.  Got me feeling so bad that about making him go to the trouble of having him pull me over I apologized to him about the entire thing. I ended up felling very really confused.  I got a ticket and ended up feeling good about the encounter!!! What the heck?

At any rate be forewarned.  Hopefully you will pay more attention to this than I did to my buddy's warnings.
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: JChepes on July 13, 2013, 07:12:26 am
People always seem to speed on this road.  It's a cut through.  I always seem to have someone riding my arse.  Contrary to what you said I see cops all the time on Westside.  Glad to see the police slowing it down.  Check your speed and enjoy the ride.  Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: Jeff on July 13, 2013, 08:50:38 am
As you discovered, and as JChepes says, cops regularly patrol the Westside road, ESPECIALLY in the summer tourist season; I've been pulled over twice over the years, luckily for warnings! Now I just set my cruise control for 38 (35 limit) and let people ride my tail--it is an attractive drive.

Further warning-- they also patrol the North-South road east of town-- speed limit there is 40 and people regularly speed-- this past Monday, on 2 trips there, I saw 2 cars pulled over--again tourist season = $ in the coffers!
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: DLottmann on July 13, 2013, 08:06:56 pm
Ditto ditto. Tourist Season = speed traps round’ here. The two biggest spots on West Side are at the bottom of the little blind curve hill, there is a pull-out on the right when heading towards Conway that is blind until you are on it... I think it may be a fire department “charging” spot... and I see them sometimes staked out down Cedar Creek facing West Side... two area I ALWAYS slow down for...

I pass Jeff all the time... plenty of passing lanes on that road...

N-S is trickier. I have one warning from that road. Best to keep it under 50, it’s short enough not to make a big difference...

302 from Crawford Notch to Attitash though... knock on wood I don’t know how I haven’t got nabbed there... I routinely do 65+ from Crawford to Bartlett village... too many sight see’rs’ on my winter commute...
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: Admin Al on July 14, 2013, 11:49:55 am
...I just set my cruise control for 38 (35 limit) and let people ride my tail--it is an attractive drive.

+1
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: kenreville on July 14, 2013, 01:07:44 pm
Keep it at 45mph on the West Side Rd. and you'll NEVER get stopped. Been here since '87 and it's worked for me.
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: steve weitzler on July 15, 2013, 11:42:06 am
I always get caught on Route 16 in Wakefield.  I have been nailed 6 times in the last 15 years (stupid me). I was coming home three weeks ago from the Mt. Washington Road Race and was pulled over at 8 AM!! The cop said I was going 81 MPH in a 45 MPH zone. I told him my car is incapable of going that fast ($278.00 was the cost). I think it is time to set the cruise control to 35.  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: Admin Al on July 15, 2013, 04:12:46 pm
I think it is time to set the cruise control to 35.

 :P ya think!!
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: DLottmann on July 15, 2013, 08:50:42 pm
I actually got jury duty on a case in Ossipee that involved Wakefield PD... it kinda became apparent throughout the trial Wakefield PD is a bit “tough”.... I haven’t gone more than 9 miles over the speed limit on 16 in Wakefield since...

I have never been pulled over for speeding in 20 years unless it was 10+, and with my iPhone Ap clocking my speed and matching it to the current speed limit I probably feel more confident than I should.

Side note, but much easier for me to watch my speed on my window mounted iPhone right next to digital speed limit than watch the dash speedometer... combine that with a BAC app and (knock on wood), I feel quite confident I can go the next decade without a ticket....
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: rbirk on July 16, 2013, 09:07:20 am
Isn't it silly we (including me) spend so much attention on an arbitrary number on the dashboard, instead of the actual road? It drives me totally nuts with these speed traps. These police "people" must have something better to do than sitting there waiting for the next car to drive by?
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: Jeff on July 16, 2013, 09:23:22 am
To kenreville--both times I was pulled over (and got off with a warning) I was told I was doing 42 in a 35 on the West Side Rd-- so I'm cautious-- I don't need to spend extra $ on a ticket when I'm in no rush. I've also been with friends when they were ticketed @ 45 mph--maybe just our bad luck :-\
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: pappy on July 16, 2013, 10:46:51 am
Isn't it silly we (including me) spend so much attention on an arbitrary number on the dashboard, instead of the actual road? It drives me totally nuts with these speed traps. These police "people" must have something better to do than sitting there waiting for the next car to drive by?

Because it's all about the money.
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: OldEric on July 16, 2013, 12:06:45 pm
Isn't it silly we (including me) spend so much attention on an arbitrary number on the dashboard, instead of the actual road? It drives me totally nuts with these speed traps. These police "people" must have something better to do than sitting there waiting for the next car to drive by?

Because this isn't Europe - here the cars suck, the drivers suck and the enforcement of the laws suck.
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: kenreville on July 16, 2013, 02:08:40 pm
To kenreville--both times I was pulled over (and got off with a warning) I was told I was doing 42 in a 35 on the West Side Rd-- so I'm cautious-- I don't need to spend extra $ on a ticket when I'm in no rush. I've also been with friends when they were ticketed @ 45 mph--maybe just our bad luck :-\

I've yet to follow a Conway copper on the West Side road that doesn't do at least 40. The old "do as I say, not as I do". Between '98 and '06 I lived in N.Conway and travelled to Groveton,NH for work (65 miles away). Naturally, I bought a radar detector. One day, as I came out of Whitefield heading towards Lancaster, I tailed (way behind) a State trooper that was firing his "instant on" laser at oncoming traffic. My detector would go on and off as he fired away. Funny thing was he was travelling 75mph as he was doing this. Above the law? You betcha.
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: darwined on July 16, 2013, 02:10:19 pm
Isn't it silly we (including me) spend so much attention on an arbitrary number on the dashboard, instead of the actual road? It drives me totally nuts with these speed traps. These police "people" must have something better to do than sitting there waiting for the next car to drive by?
BITD you actually had to CALL the cops when something was wrong.  Somewhere along the line police work became about seeking out the "evil-doers".  Last year,  I got pulled over for a plate light out(which was just a bullshit reason to fish for a DUI).  My wife was completely embarrassed by the ear-full I gave the dumbass who pulled me over.  Oh yeah, no ticket either.
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: Jeff on July 16, 2013, 04:58:43 pm
No question that a missing license plate light is a DUI fishing expedition--likewise a faulty back up light. I've experienced both, the latter backing out of a spot at Dunkin Donuts--imagine--an officer was in that parking lot :-\
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: sneoh on July 16, 2013, 11:40:57 pm
.... the ear-full I gave the dumbass who pulled me over.  Oh yeah, no ticket either.
Wow.  Impressive; more balls than I will ever have.
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: darwined on July 17, 2013, 05:46:56 am
.... the ear-full I gave the dumbass who pulled me over.  Oh yeah, no ticket either.
Wow.  Impressive; more balls than I will ever have.
nah, I just got chafed because it was the tail end of a really nice day with my family.  I felt like I had done nothing to deserve the demeanor the officer presented me with when I rolled down the window.  I'm certainly no Angel but, I was behaving myself that night.  Honestly, I was a bit of a hot head.  ;D
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: pappy on July 17, 2013, 08:25:48 pm
I don't really have an issue with the DUI fishing expeditions if there actually is a legitimate pretext, no matter how slight (like a tag light out) and if they're pleasant and wave you on your way quickly once they ascertain that you're not impaired. Studies show that something like up to 25% of drivers after 11PM are impaired. A couple of weeks ago in Atlanta a pedestrian wandered into the road and caused a seven car pile up. Six of the seven drivers were busted for DUI, as well as the pedestrian for public drunkeness. Must have been a NASCAR event nearby, it's not college football season yet.
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: danf on July 17, 2013, 08:41:13 pm
Any light out is a reason for them to stop you at night.  99% of the time you will only get a warning, most of those will be verbal.  There's 2 primary reasons they will pull you over for it- the first being to make sure you know the light is out (honestly, who knows their brakelight or license plate light is out?) and the second is it gives them a reason to run your ID to make sure you have no warrants.  The second reason can be construed as fishing, but if the return on the time spent wasn't justified they probably wouldn't do it.

Earlier this year, my girlfriend got pulled over 3 times on Rt 16 between Somersworth and Ossipee for a burned out headlight.  For those that know Ossipee, the 2nd stop was in front of Beaver Hollow Campground, the 3rd was in front of Rite Aid!  Different trooper each time too...
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: DLottmann on July 17, 2013, 10:22:19 pm
Ossipee is known for tough cops and drug problems, so I’m not surprised they patrol there heavily... and a state police barracks is located there...

But what is this “license plate light out” BS? This isn’t a required feature to pass inspection so that should not warrant getting pulled over...
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: kenreville on July 17, 2013, 11:10:01 pm
The way inspection works is ANYTHING that is on the vehicle as original equipment MUST be functional.
Sorry DMan, if there is a light on your license plate, it has to be working to pass inspection.
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: OldEric on July 17, 2013, 11:54:00 pm
The way inspection works is ANYTHING that is on the vehicle as original equipment MUST be functional.
Sorry DMan, if there is a light on your license plate, it has to be working to pass inspection.

So the radio that came with the car needs to be working to pass inspection?  Use your brain - what little you have anyway.
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: JBro on July 18, 2013, 08:01:48 am
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(c) If no location has been provided by the manufacturer, the plates shall be securely mounted with a bracket or comparable method in a visible location, and the rear plate shall be illuminated by a white license plate light when the headlights or parking lights are on.


Obviously if you want to drive drunk on West Side Road make sure you turn all your lights off.

Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: JBro on July 18, 2013, 08:05:22 am
So the radio that came with the car needs to be working to pass inspection?  Use your brain - what little you have anyway.

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Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: kenreville on July 18, 2013, 09:29:50 am
The way inspection works is ANYTHING that is on the vehicle as original equipment MUST be functional.
Sorry DMan, if there is a light on your license plate, it has to be working to pass inspection.

So the radio that came with the car needs to be working to pass inspection?  Use your brain - what little you have anyway.

ALL of your lights, horn, wipers etc...
Why are you such a rude asswipe anyway?
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: JBro on July 18, 2013, 09:36:13 am
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Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: DLottmann on July 18, 2013, 01:06:21 pm
Did some digging on the Ambiguous laws...

Zorzy v. Beecher, 99-E-31, (Carroll, Fauver, 10/28/99) AFFIRMED
Observed vehicle with one taillight inoperative out of four; law requires that only two taillights be operative; "It is conceded that the officer could not charge petitioner with a motor-vehicle violation. There is, however, an administrative regulation that provides that a vehicle may be rejected for inspection if 'any bulb, sealed beam, unit or lamp fails to light properly'. Accordingly, the officer was authorized to stop the petitioner's vehicle to issue a defective-equipment notice", citing Exley v. Beecher, below. (NOTE: cross-reference to section involving back of ALS form)

http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/hearings/compendium/superior/forstop.html

Bottom line is you legally don’t need the license plate light to be working, and can probably pass inspection if it isn’t, BUT they can still pull you over to let you know it is broken (and fish for DUI).

After getting bullied by a NY Statie a few years ago outside New Paltz after only having 2 beers I started using a BAC tracking ap when I plan on having more than 2 and need to drive. It keeps track of time since 1st drink (and each after), ABV of beverage, weight of drinker, etc... I give my self some leeway for it being an “estimation”, but after a stop by a NH statie on my way back home from a Red Sox game I was able to calmly tell him, yes, I’ve had about 6 beers today (started with 2 during lunch at Fenway, then 4-5 at the game, now 11pm), that gave me an estimated BAC of .04, half the legal limit. One quick FST and I was on my way. He even chuckled that no one has ever admitted drinking more than 2 drinks to him before and thanked me for my honesty...

App is comically called “Can I drive yet?” if you are into apps (and beer).
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: OldEric on July 18, 2013, 01:27:20 pm
The way inspection works is ANYTHING that is on the vehicle as original equipment MUST be functional.
Sorry DMan, if there is a light on your license plate, it has to be working to pass inspection.

So the radio that came with the car needs to be working to pass inspection?  Use your brain - what little you have anyway.

ALL of your lights, horn, wipers etc...
Why are you such a rude asswipe anyway?

If you take being shown your wrong time after time with your attempts to over simplify things - leaving out important details - and convey it with a smug know it all superority - as rudeness - well then - I guess you get will see it that way.
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: kenreville on July 18, 2013, 02:40:06 pm
Sorry oldman. You got your ass handed to ya on a basic physics problem, and now you're whimpering. Grow up. Clown.
Title: Re: Got A Speeding Ticket on West Side Road
Post by: JBro on July 18, 2013, 03:12:46 pm
Sorry oldman. You got your ass handed to ya on a basic physics problem, and now you're whimpering. Grow up. Clown.

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