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Title: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: David_G48 on January 10, 2014, 08:19:54 pm
There was an accident on Shoestring today around 1 PM. We saw the rescue team on the road preparing to go up. Rumor is that someone fell 100 feet. Are there any updates? Hoping for a good outcome!
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: Admin Al on January 10, 2014, 08:37:47 pm
I hope so, but 100' is 100'!
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: nuts on January 10, 2014, 09:22:54 pm
I think that's about accurate, fell sometime just before noon and was lowered a few pitches before MRS arrived.  He's going to be a little sore for awhile but was in very good spirits.  Let's avoid the shoulda/ woulda/ coulda discussion on this one and wish him a speedy recovery; anyone investing a lifetime in this sport has thank God moments, myself included.  There aren't missteps to analyze here without a boatload of hypocracy.
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: ELM on January 11, 2014, 07:13:38 am
Good to hear he was awake. The early report had him "unresponsive". Good work MRS!
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: tradmanclimbz on January 11, 2014, 08:58:50 am
 happy they are going to make it!  Kudos on the self rescue. Best speedy recovery.

Always nice to know what happened so that we can try to  learn with having to gain (experience) the hard way.
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: lucky luke on January 11, 2014, 12:34:02 pm
Always nice to know what happened so that we can try to  learn with having to gain (experience) the hard way.

As the guy is there to tell what happen, a lot of knowledge can be learn. To avoid people to learn the hard way is really the mentality of accident in accident in north american mountaineering.

I remember that I went on shoestring with Base and led the steep pitch. Not paying attention because it look too easy, I plant my first ice axe in ice. than I step on my right foot in the same time that I pull my other tool to pick it higher. The ice blow on my first and second tools and i begin to felt. My left crampon enter in a jesus crack...and stop!!! At minus some thing, better to go up.

I am not the only one who was too selfconfident and make a mistake. Maybe it is what happen to the guy, but we can't learn from no information. In anam, a guy told that he climbed a 5.10. at the end, it was a pitch of 5.4. it was a warm day and he was just thinking at the beer that he would take at the camp. He didn't even know what happen when he felt. He sustain a broken harm.

So, I hope that we are going to know by the guy what happen... and at the ice festival, that we will see more guide training to have good technique for crampon instead of leading hard stuff.   
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: David_G48 on January 12, 2014, 02:18:19 pm
From "NewHampshire.com"

NEW HAMPTON - A Wolfeboro ice climber was injured when he fell about 100 feet while climbing on Mount Webster in Hart's Location, authorities said Saturday.

James Nupp, 64, was hiking what is known as "shoestring gully" with a friend when he slipped and fell around noon Friday, sustaining multiple injuries that left him unable to walk.


Another climber who was above Nupp on the route witnessed the fall and then climbed higher into the gully to find cell service to call 911, according to Fish and Game.

About a dozen volunteers from the Mountain Rescue Service helped five conservation officers from Fish and Game carry Nupp down three quarters of a mile of very steep and icy terrain, authorities said.


Rescuers reached a waiting ambulance along Route 302 at about 5:30 p.m. Nupp was transported to Memorial Hospital in North Conway for further evaluation and treatment.
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A thank you to MRS and a speedy recovery to James.

Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: xcrag_corex on January 12, 2014, 07:05:00 pm
Glad he's gonna pull through!! Hope for a speedy recovery!!!
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: old_school on January 13, 2014, 09:49:03 am
Hiking???  :-\
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: DLottmann on January 13, 2014, 03:50:50 pm
Hiking???  :-\

Shoestring is a great hike! Haven't you heard? It's a good warm up for hiking up Pinnacle or the Black Dike...
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: Admin Al on January 13, 2014, 05:19:12 pm
I just heard from Jim Nupp, the person injured on Shoestring. It seems as if he is going to be OK. He asked that anyone finding a lost black Alp Wing ice tool, would email him at lakenupps (AT) metrocast (DOT) net or phone me at 603 (DASH) 569 (DASH) 3552.
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: markvnh on January 13, 2014, 05:50:43 pm
How's he doing Al? And any first hand account of what happened? Was he roped up and took a lead fall or while soloing?
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: Admin Al on January 13, 2014, 09:56:39 pm
he was soloing with a friend...
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: tradmanclimbz on January 13, 2014, 11:09:55 pm
WOW! Lucky he did not go the distance!   easy to see how you could slip up there. I hiked it today and that low angle stuff is a total PINTA. Logic tells me that I must have at least one tool sunk at all times when soloing but there is no way in hell that i will crawl all the way up that thing so I end up standing up and doubble caneing for most of the low angle stuff. no way to recover from a slip in that possition. right hand finish is a bit spicy....
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: lucky luke on January 14, 2014, 11:03:28 am
I end up standing up and doubble caneing for most of the low angle stuff.

doubble caneing? can you describe the technique?
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: tradmanclimbz on January 14, 2014, 12:01:33 pm
watch Uli steck on the last ice field @ the top of the eiger. only difference is I am not as good looking and much slower. stand up and walk/run either on front points or flat footed and use both axes as canes. Definatly Not the X possition.
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: tradmanclimbz on January 14, 2014, 12:19:33 pm
Correction. just watched the ULI steck video again and the Eiger is a lot steeper than shoestring so he is not caneing at the top.
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: markvnh on January 14, 2014, 01:06:00 pm
Thanks for the update Al. Glad to hear he's gonna be OK and on his road to recovery. To get out of a solo fall on Shoestring and have it only be 100' is damn lucky. So he must have been down low.

And I agree with tradman - low angle ice can be quite difficult! No matter what feels comfortable actually always feels sketchy to me - if that makes sense.

I guess what I'm trying to say is having the angle of the ice steeper to where you can sink your tools and have good front point contact - and always three points of contact - makes soloing ice within your ability a relatively safe adventure.

Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: tradmanclimbz on January 14, 2014, 01:56:10 pm
The problem in the NE is than when it gets real cold the ice gets bullet proof flat footing/french technique and even front pointing without at least one ax sunk becomes a gamble. bending over to sink the ax puts you in the front leaning rest possition (push ups) which gets old pretty darn quick....
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: DLottmann on January 14, 2014, 03:05:42 pm
So he must have been down low.
...

He wasn't. A friend who assisted on the rescue mentioned he had already been lowered hundreds of feet down the gully before he got there... not sure what stopped his fall but he was in the upper half of the gully when he fell based on what I've heard from multiple people...
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: markvnh on January 14, 2014, 04:52:11 pm
Damn DMan - he's certainly one lucky guy. And kudos to whoever helped getting him lowered before MRS showed up.
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: Admin Al on January 14, 2014, 10:38:27 pm
How's he doing Al?

shattered left wrist and rib fracture, but he's going to be OK...
Title: Re: Accident on Shoestring Today
Post by: OldEric on January 19, 2014, 06:49:57 pm
Were you wearing a cotton t-shirt and carrying extras?

Apparently LL was  actually out climbing.  A foreign concept to most of those who post here.