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ps lucky: not all people do things "to say that I am good…" they just do things because they like to do it…. also, years ago i lived in newark, nj; at the time the "murder capital of the US…" so i feel your pain…
I think that many people have an ethic and few climb just to say.... My text was more in reference to tradmanclimbz post on "its the line not the style". when you don't care about the style, you dont care about the ethic
Call 603.356.7064 IMCS guide service. They have a great group of guides, talk to Brad White as he runs this school. George at one time was the head guide at this store.