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Very nice factual well thought out response pappy.

And still, IMO, the AMC pretty much overall sux the bag.

Anyone ever hear of Klondike Crag or Shining Rock?  Ever climbed there?

Made an attempt with Slacker today and failed. We ended up on what i think was Hancock Notch Trail. We hiked for about 3 hours until the trail sharply headed down hill, then we knew we were in the wrong area. Sad part is Slacker has been there before! 

We know the way now after a bit of recon on the way back. Going to try again next week.

Quote from: pappy on June 14, 2013, 04:48:24 PM

I get into this argument all the time, because there are lots of ignorant people in the PRV: The only 'subsidy', tax or otherwise, that the oil companies get specific to oil involve an accounting rule that lets them expense drilling costs immediately, which has a rational basis I'm not going to get into here. They do receive the same breaks all other manufacturers do, so Exxon had an effective tax rate in '10 of 17.2%. When you include all taxes paid by the oil industry, they pay more in taxes than they earn in after tax profit.

As far as I know, taxes are paid on taxable profit not on sales. If their tax rate was 17.2% that means 82.8% of their taxable profit was "take home."

82.8 > 17.2

How exactly do they pay more in taxes than they take home in profit?

Note that I said all taxes--including sales, property, royalties, etc. And that is US profits, US taxes. Too many people, like the ones quoted by eyebolter, want to distort things for ideological reasons by comparing worldwide profits to US taxes so they can shriek about how corporations don't pay their 'fair share'.

Guess what, economically speaking corporations don't pay taxes, they just collect them for the government. A corporation exists to produce goods and services useful enough that someone wants to buy them and then make a return by doing so that justifies the cost of capital and the risk incurred. That's it, and the after tax return required to justify the continued existence of the business does not change regardless of how much it is taxed. Therefore, most taxes are rolled into the price of the product (some also comes out of reduced pay for employees, but most just goes into increased prices), so when the dopes scream to increase taxes on evil corporations they are really just screaming to increase the price of the goods they buy. Because they are stupid, which is one of the reasons why I referred to the "Occupy" movement as 'The Temper Tantrum of the Economically Illiterate.'

The US actually has the highest corporate income tax among developed countries at 35%. Few big businesses actually pay all of that (and most small businesses are organized as pass through entities so that income taxes are paid personally by the owners) because the politicians understand that the these businesses would be at a huge competitive disadvantage. But they love the tax rate because they can point to it and say they are sticking it to big business while they cut deals with corporations for the specific tax breaks they need to compete (in return for campaign donations and other considerations). When the loons over here in the PRV were freaking out about the Citizens United decision I told them that if they wanted to reduce the influence of corporate money in politics then cut the corporate tax rate to 20% or less, which would be about the worldwide average. Most corporations would rapidly lose interest in politics because they are really only interested in their business. Of course, this was a concept that escaped the bozos completely. We just saw Apple get an education in how this system really works: Apple operated as we would like all big businesses to operate, they focused on their business and didn't even have a Washington office, because they didn't think that politics was their business. You can bet they're establishing a big Washington presence now. We saw Microsoft make they same mistake in the '90s, when as the most valuable company in the world they had exactly three employees in Washington, and then got mugged by the government for billions for somehow harming consumers by offering a free product.

Very interesting.
"We learned that the gray nylon thread turns pink when contaminated with acid." - file it away in one's memory banks; could come in very handy some day.

This - "Muriatic acid used to be used to clean holds in climbing gyms." - caught my eye as I set at a gym.  I got to check the cleanser used there ...
Even bleach (Clorox) can be harmful.

Cool read: http://blackdiamondequipment.com/en/qc-lab-acid-harness.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=qc-lab-acid&utm_source=hotwire-06182013

Take care of your shit!

I agree trad, just horrrible.
At least Toe Crack isn't slick

I am sure you would   

Think this one might be a bit harder than Buzzzkill..   maybe we are just getting older

Kiddy crack is got to be one of the worst bags of shit @ the whole cliff. feels like it was greased up with vasaline. Climbing is supposed to be fun and that was unpleasant at best. a short, buggy, slippery mouse fart in the woods. never would bother to repete even if i lived there.