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 31 
 on: July 20, 2014, 03:40:51 PM 
Started by lucky luke - Last post by Lucky4Uguys
I follow a fork lift course recently and they talk about the occurrence of accident in relation to the number of years of experiences.

They show that beginner and people with more than 15 years of experience are the two groups with more accident. The first one because they don't know enough, the last one because they did the technique too much time without problem.

For the fork lift, every driver most follow an other courses after three years. For climber...how do you revise your safety technique?

Summary:
Fork lift = Pick up things and them put down (i.e. Fitness Planet)
Rookie Climber = No's not to much (i.e. This clothes line do should the trick!)
Expert climber = Thinks knows he more (i.e. Deeze bolts are great, this cam bomber not so much lets who see I can confuse)




 32 
 on: July 20, 2014, 12:33:45 PM 
Started by lucky luke - Last post by JBrochu

 33 
 on: July 20, 2014, 09:18:03 AM 
Started by lucky luke - Last post by lucky luke
One way would be to climb with different people with different experience and background. You will always learn something new or have to explain why you do it your way.
it is what I do. My hero are at the top of the pyramid. i will think about peter croft at the summit with Edlinger and Lynn Hill very close to him. will go down to local climber with Ed webster, Cote, Barber, Larson and, of course, Base with who I climb as a second because he his the leader even if I took the sharp end of the rope. learned a lot with him.

And there is people of my level with who I like to climb the workout of people higher in the pyramid and try new route. Under me there is intermediate climber with who I share my knowledge about leadership and working to make it easier for the leader by using a technique that the leader can control in a glance instead of a "dman teach me that it was o.k. like that", Learning that there is many good technique, but two good technique by to partner lead to a bad technique overall.

Teaching to new climber that they most learn a lot of think to climb safely. Showing that they learn for a situation that will happen one day, with one technique, in one second... and it could be your last decision. Test there reaction in a real situation where the climber feel that he his in danger. How to stay calm, etc.

So, I agree to climb with different people. it is more than climbing with my best friend and doing a close party with the same technique. It was why it was so much fun before to climb at cathedral with all those friendly climber.   

 34 
 on: July 20, 2014, 08:58:08 AM 
Started by nutslover - Last post by lucky luke
A couple friends of mine were hiking in the Hautes Gorges and they told me they run a well organised free bus system up there. This sounds just like my last trip to Europe! You should get to the base of the climbs in no time!

They allow the climbs to cran des erables in hautes georges, but you can't hike to the cliff because of protection land! The authority think that you can kill a forty feet tall tree by walking on it. Note that trad safety is so low in quebec that a safety rescue will damage the forest more than necessarly.

I have done many routes there and many are at the level of moby grape and falling aspiration. the climb just right of where is la pomme d'or in winter is amazing, but close. In that route it is possible to sleep in the cliff in a ledge as big as HE in the gunks. We were probably the second party or third to climb it, so an anchor like the one Dman say that it is good is way to dangerous to even think to climb at this place.

In the park, I saw a cliff far in the west that look like to be two pitches high, but 600 foot wide. Nobody had ever climb there in my knowledge.

Actually, at the bottom of the cliff, most new climber don't even know that we can climb trad in the park, they follow rules. One of this new generation teach me how to belay correctly. Dman will be a king in Quebec.   

 35 
 on: July 20, 2014, 08:48:29 AM 
Started by DLottmann - Last post by Admin Al
Banning certain posters from forums is a slippery slope.
I for one will miss your posts, DMan.  I've learned quite a bit from them over the years.  Do reconsider coming back!

Agreed on both points. While LL can be a wacky guy, he's our wacky guy. He's not mean or abusive - unlike some who ARE that way towards him! And those know who they are... I'm sad that DMan has left. I'd like it if he came back. But I'm not going to ban people because some folks don't like another posters posts.

I'm going to close this thread now 'cause I don't think we need to belabor this point. Personally I'd like it if everyone could just "get along", but we're climbers so that's somewhat unlikely. ;-) If we can't agree on bolt placement, it's unlikely we can agree on this kind of thing.

I'd appreciate it if everyone would take a deep breath before posting, and remember that you have the power to IGNORE anyone!

Have a great summer and climb more than you post on the net...

 36 
 on: July 20, 2014, 06:55:40 AM 
Started by DLottmann - Last post by sneoh
Banning certain posters from forums is a slippery slope.
I for one will miss your posts, DMan.  I've learned quite a bit from them over the years.  Do reconsider coming back!
I've also learned from LL/Champ's posts.  And he truly believes in what he writes, and passionately at that. While his posts can be annoying as heck, and sometimes over the top, I do not believe those can be reasons to ban him.

 37 
 on: July 19, 2014, 09:54:13 PM 
Started by DLottmann - Last post by Nemesis
Lucky Luke is nothing more than "that guy".  Don't ban him

Freedom!

 38 
 on: July 19, 2014, 09:40:34 PM 
Started by DLottmann - Last post by strandman
Everyone is free to speak up on Ne climbs..that's why I like it

 39 
 on: July 19, 2014, 08:08:30 PM 
Started by lin - Last post by lin
or maybe cannon.
lin9@comcast.net

 40 
 on: July 19, 2014, 08:06:33 PM 
Started by lucky luke - Last post by rbirk
One way would be to climb with different people with different experience and background. You will always learn something new or have to explain why you do it your way.

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