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Epics and Accidents / Re: Goofers Accident on Tuesday or Wednesday?
« Last post by Admin Al on February 23, 2017, 05:40:03 PM »
Thanks. I still don't exactly know what happened, but they are OK. Bobby & partner dropped the gear off at IME. 3 screws, draws and Nomic! That would have been an expensive incident, on top of the apparent knee sprain.
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Goofers Accident on Tuesday or Wednesday?
« Last post by rbirk on February 23, 2017, 05:31:01 PM »
okay, found it:

https://www.mountainproject.com/v/accident-on-goofers-slab---gear-left/112509254

"Had an incident on Goofers slab and had to leave some gear behind in order to make a trip to the ER (the doc has assured me I will live - just a knee sprain). My partners in their hurry to get down, left 2 BD screws and slings/screamers in the ice. We also somehow dropped a Nomic on the way down to the parking lot.

If anybody finds any of our gear, we sure would be very grateful to get it back.

I already left messages at IME and/or EMS. My partner plans on posting something on NEICE.

Thanks. Be careful out there."

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Epics and Accidents / Re: Goofers Accident on Tuesday or Wednesday?
« Last post by rbirk on February 23, 2017, 05:25:58 PM »
I saw a post yesterday (somewhere) from the guy on Goofers. He sprained his knee but was otherwise okay. He was looking for his gear. Now if I can only remember where I saw the post...
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Epics and Accidents / Goofers Accident on Tuesday or Wednesday?
« Last post by Admin Al on February 23, 2017, 04:06:18 PM »
My friend Bobby climbed Goofers on Wednesday and found 3 screws and draws on the climb as well as a Nomic on the decent trail. It was interesting because I had seen the draws up there when I rode by mid-morning on Wednesday. Someone said that there had been an accident there either on Tuesday or Wednesday and that the victim had gone to the hospital. I can't find any information about it, but I'd like to know what took place. Apparently the top most screw of the 3 was right over the top of the crux bulge, but there were no screws above that.

Hopefully they are going to be OK.
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Ice & Winter Climbing / Re: Who was guiding willeys slide today
« Last post by iclimb on February 23, 2017, 03:40:51 PM »
 :-[Oh cool, ya thats why i included that as an option. I was a bit on the defensive since I had to keep legitamizing my experience, so my fault for assuming you might be flaming.

Yes, it changes year to year but its always roughly the same spots on either side. If someone chooses not to rap the slide proper, they can walk off either side through the trees on snow.

Fairly steep, maybe about as steep as lions head winter, but easy with snow.
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Ice & Winter Climbing / Re: Who was guiding willeys slide today
« Last post by JBro on February 23, 2017, 03:10:06 PM »
I didn't flame you at all. I had no idea there was a trail on climbers right.
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Ice & Winter Climbing / Re: Who was guiding willeys slide today
« Last post by iclimb on February 23, 2017, 11:37:22 AM »
Jpro, willeys has a well established boot pack trail on the left and right from people walking off if they dont want to rap down. Maybe you're flaming me for semantics because i called it a trail, maybe you legit didnt know.
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Ice & Winter Climbing / Re: Who was guiding willeys slide today
« Last post by iclimb on February 23, 2017, 10:02:46 AM »
Thank you for the validation man. It's pretty frustrating to have my legitimate concerns cast aside because of the grade or the perceived lack of danger people had at other angles.
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Ice & Winter Climbing / Re: Who was guiding willeys slide today
« Last post by David_G48 on February 23, 2017, 09:08:48 AM »
On several occasions I have seen guides forget common sense judgment and I assume that it is in an effort to appease a paying client although it may be for other reasons. It is common knowledge not to climb over the top of another climber in view without asking permission first, no exceptions except for some emergency situations. It doesn't matter if there is no real danger to the leader below because perceived danger by the party below can take them off their game and cause accidents. If someone was climbing WI6 and this happened everyone would say how horrible it was as the climber could get distracted and fall. Well, we have no idea whether the people below us are at their limit and if we are taking them off their game, causing a dangerous situation. So I am in disagreement with Dave's analysis that iclimb was blowing it out of proportion. Further iclimb states that their shoulder was bruised giving credence that the danger was real and not perceived.

To all climbers please think about other climbers around you and do not cross over their line of climb without asking 1st. This never would have happened years ago which I like to attribute to good judgment, then again it could be that there just wasn't that many people climbing.
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Ice & Winter Climbing / Re: Who was guiding willeys slide today
« Last post by iclimb on February 23, 2017, 08:04:44 AM »
I also should say for context that i was taking my father in law out that day, who is relatively inexperienced on ice. I felt comfortable with everything up until the point that all this started, but I was essentially soloing the easy grade 2 ice. It made it feel sketchier. I realize what kind of assessment could be had from below, and I respect that perspective, but i actually felt the pieces hitting me and how heavy they were. Some may have even had some ice in them judging by one sore spot on my shoulder today. Snow does this funny thing when water is running in or around it and then it gets cold at night...it freezes. I had a whole lot of concerns about it (obviously) and felt that it was 100% avoidable. While my reaction seems heavy, my safety is heavy and I felt like even though there werent any consequences from the situation, there could have really been some if I hadn't done things the right way as it unfolded. Someone else putting me in danger, even if it's only potential danger, warrants a heavy reaction in my book.

So ya, I was pissed.
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