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 31 
 on: September 27, 2014, 01:18:15 PM 
Started by Mike Grobicki - Last post by Mike Grobicki
Looking to get out and climb some trad. Can lead 5.7 and follow 5.9. Prefer multipitch climbs, but wouldn't say no to some single pitch cragging if that's the only option. Have rope and rack.

 32 
 on: September 27, 2014, 02:58:37 AM 
Started by rose - Last post by M_Sprague
It is tonight!

 33 
 on: September 26, 2014, 06:16:25 PM 
Started by Admin Al - Last post by Admin Al
I went to ESAW last year and it was excellent. HIGHLY recommended!

 34 
 on: September 26, 2014, 10:47:45 AM 
Started by Admin Al - Last post by Admin Al
Although winter seems like such a long way off I suspect we’ll see frozen
precipitation in the high country before we know it.  As crystals pile up
the peril of avalanches won’t be far behind so I’m happy to announce the
upcoming *ESAW 2014 on Friday night November 7th and Saturday November 8th* *in
North Conway, NH*.  *This year we have a new venue at “Theatre in the
Wood”, a few miles from IME and last year’s elementary school location.*

*Registration and up to date information is online at www.esaw.org
<http://www.esaw.org/>**. *

You can contact us at esawavalanche@gmail.com  Our social networking will
be active on facebook and our new Twitter feed ESAW@ESAWavalanche. The
registration fee will again be 75.00 which includes all the talks, several
raffles throughout the day, coffee, donuts/fruit and social at IME with
hops and barley.  We will stretch ourselves thin, but the registration will
also include Friday’s fun evening social, beverages, music, and a slide
show soon to be announced highlighting climbing big snowy mountains.  If
you can’t make it Friday night that’s ok, but you will be missing out on a
great time!

Our Agenda is coming together quickly.  As we have done before we will
bring a number of western professionals to our weekend.  So far this year
we have *Karl Birkeland, Director of the National Avalanche Center,* a
prolific avalanche researcher focused on field applications and stability
understanding.  He will speak about the National Avalanche Center and the
Forest Service Avalanche Forecasting System, as well as Stability Tests and
how they correlate with one another.  I'm sure we'll also hear about some
of his most recent work with the Propagation Saw Test (PST).  I’m looking
forward to his headline talk “Recent advances in understanding avalanche
release and stability tests”.   *Toby and/or Paige Weed from the Utah
Avalanche Center* will also be with us filling us in on their programs and
observations from the Utah mountains.  *Sam Colebeck* will be back with
thought provoking concepts he worked on through a career as a physicist
with the Army's Cold Region Research and Engineering Laboratory (CRREL). We
are also partnering up with the *American Alpine Club (AAC)* over the next
3 years to help bring more avalanche education to climbers.  Unfortunately,
in the Northeast climbers lead our avalanche fatalities and accidents so we
are partnering to change this trend.  The AAC’s “Live your Dream Grant” now
has an additional ESAW Award and Friday night will in part be a fundraiser
to raise awareness about all the AAC is doing.

Any remaining funds will go to The White Mountain Avalanche Education Fund
set up to educate kids of the northeast about avalanches.  For more
information follow this link to the MWAC website.
http://www.mountwashingtonavalanchecenter.org/about/white-mountain-avalanche-education-fund/
 If  you are a teacher or a coach of High School students please let me
know if you are interested in your young adults coming to ESAW at no
charge.

We look forward to seeing all of you at ESAW 2014 in North Conway NH on
November 7th and 8th!  Please forward this to anyone you feel may be
interested.

Chris Joosen- Director Mount Washington Avalanche Center, White Mountain
National Forest

 35 
 on: September 25, 2014, 01:27:39 PM 
Started by strandman - Last post by JBrochu
So the gov't "stepping in" and FAILING once again is of no concern?

I'm not the one using this story to draw blanket conclusions about the worth of the EPA and govt programs in general.

Of course I would be disappointed to find out that the govt wasted "hundreds of millions" of tax dollars only to make the problem worse. However, I suspect this story is pretty much bullshit.

1) Naturally occurring levels of lead in soil range from 50ppm to 400ppm so his story is already suspect.

Source: http://www.epa.gov/superfund/lead/health.htm

2) About 70% of cleanup activities have been paid for by the responsible parties and not tax dollars

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfund


What I do know to be true is that Superfund has made a large positive contribution to a healthier environment. Many sites have been cleaned up and de-listed. The last place I worked for was built on top of an old Superfund site.

Aside from Superfund the EPA has many many success stories. Does anybody really believe private industry would put environmental concerns above profit? History says no.

So even if this story is true or has some grain of truth to it, it wouldn't dissuade me from supporting environmental legislation and the EPA.

 

 36 
 on: September 25, 2014, 12:52:53 PM 
Started by strandman - Last post by kenreville
I know right.

Why couldn't the govt just let rivers burn, allow acid rain to continue killing high country lakes in the northeast, and just leave all those industrial waste sites alone -- after all, what's wrong with a little bit of childhood leukemia?

I'm glad Pappy posted this most likely made up story* as it really helped clear up the crossed wires in my over-educated-drug-addled-pink-panty-wearing brain.

* Even if the story is true the premise that the govt didn't have to step in to prevent industry from shitting all over our natural resources is laughable

So the gov't "stepping in" and FAILING once again is of no concern?

 37 
 on: September 25, 2014, 08:48:31 AM 
Started by strandman - Last post by JBrochu
I know right.

Why couldn't the govt just let rivers burn, allow acid rain to continue killing high country lakes in the northeast, and just leave all those industrial waste sites alone -- after all, what's wrong with a little bit of childhood leukemia?

I'm glad Pappy posted this most likely made up story* as it really helped clear up the crossed wires in my over-educated-drug-addled-pink-panty-wearing brain.

* Even if the story is true the premise that the govt didn't have to step in to prevent industry from shitting all over our natural resources is laughable


 38 
 on: September 25, 2014, 08:26:48 AM 
Started by strandman - Last post by DaveR
One of my favorite stories for where this kind of stupid can go happened back in the '90s. The EPA discovered that the tailings of an old mine in the Rockies somewhere had 15ppm lead, while the background lead levels in 'virgin' soil around the site was only 8ppm lead. OMG! everyone knows lead is bad, so this was obviously dangerously polluted, almost a doubling in lead levels (see how easy it is to make it sound horrible?). They declared it a Superfund site and spent hundreds of millions to dig up the tailings, truck them off, and 'dispose' of safely, however one does that. But that left an unsightly scar so they paid many more millions to truck in massive amounts of 'virgin' soil to 'restore' the site. As it happens, the soil they trucked in turned out to have a lead content of 17ppm, but that was okay, because that was 'natural'. Your tax dollars at work.

Just 1 more example of how the government watches out for us! :P

 39 
 on: September 25, 2014, 07:54:23 AM 
Started by strandman - Last post by JBrochu
One of my favorite stories for where this kind of stupid can go happened back in the '90s. The EPA discovered that the tailings of an old mine in the Rockies somewhere had 15ppm lead, while the background lead levels in 'virgin' soil around the site was only 8ppm lead. OMG! everyone knows lead is bad, so this was obviously dangerously polluted, almost a doubling in lead levels (see how easy it is to make it sound horrible?). They declared it a Superfund site and spent hundreds of millions to dig up the tailings, truck them off, and 'dispose' of safely, however one does that. But that left an unsightly scar so they paid many more millions to truck in massive amounts of 'virgin' soil to 'restore' the site. As it happens, the soil they trucked in turned out to have a lead content of 17ppm, but that was okay, because that was 'natural'. Your tax dollars at work.

Citation?

 40 
 on: September 24, 2014, 09:58:35 PM 
Started by strandman - Last post by JChepes
I've tried the Hobb's brown and stout and both were good.  Nothing too overwhelming.  I got a friend the rye ipa and he enjoyed it even though not a rye fan.  They have g'knight imperial red ipa on tap by oscar blues and that makes a great fall warmer.

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