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Epics and Accidents / Re: Cell phone kills woman
« Last post by Nick Grant on May 27, 2016, 09:42:20 PM »
This is definitely a very weird story.  I haven't read any excerpts from her diary, but I agree with people who say that "Something was not quite right," but I'd add "with this woman."  Who would hang around doing nothing for twenty-six days?  You could walk to New York City in twenty-six days.  Could this possibly have any similarity to the Guy Waterman thing a few years ago?
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Cell phone kills woman
« Last post by NEAlpineStart on May 27, 2016, 08:07:24 PM »

RE the cell phone vs compass issue... I thought most, if not all, cell phones have compass apps built in. I don't use them, the compass apps, but are they accurate in places like that?


Yes. I use an App called "Theodolite" that is so accurate it can be used in surveying (that's the background of the app developer I think).

This promotional video is about 5 years old but still relevant regarding what the app does:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8qH0_DTLyc

No cell signal is required for this, or the navigation app I used most often, ViewRanger: http://www.viewranger.com/en-US

Both use the phone's GPS chip, which functions even when the phone is in Airplane Mode.

If interested in cell phone navigation benefits & limitations I went into some detail on what is out there in this post from December: https://nealpinestart.com/2015/12/09/should-you-use-a-smartphone-for-wilderness-navigation/



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Epics and Accidents / Re: Cell phone kills woman
« Last post by JBro on May 27, 2016, 07:11:42 PM »
the excerpts from her diary are especially revealing

Summary?
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Cell phone kills woman
« Last post by strandman on May 27, 2016, 06:16:48 PM »
Seems like a .......now we get the rest of the story thing... to me
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Climbing NOT (Bitch & moan) / Re: The Beer Thread
« Last post by strandman on May 27, 2016, 12:40:40 PM »
Really $25 ??   At my local you get 11 ,,3oz pours for $9.95  usually 7 house beers and 4 guests, not bad.  I was in Aspen recently and the tour of Aspen brewing was $30 with ONE taster at the end ! Reservations accepted
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Cell phone kills woman
« Last post by Admin Al on May 27, 2016, 12:16:55 PM »
the excerpts from her diary are especially revealing
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Cell phone kills woman
« Last post by Admin Al on May 27, 2016, 10:27:18 AM »
There is some talk that she was in the Navy training land and they wouldn't let searchers on that property. Not sure if that's true, or another government conspiracy theory. Regardless, cell phone or not, she made several obviously fatal errors. FWIW my understanding is that the forest where she went off the trail is quite dense. I read that she was not very good at orientation and may have been off her anti-anxiety medication at that time. At least her family visited her campsite and read her diaries. In a way it reminds me of the story Krakauer wrote about the young guy who starved to death in Alaska.

RE the cell phone vs compass issue... I thought most, if not all, cell phones have compass apps built in. I don't use them, the compass apps, but are they accurate in places like that?

Very sad...
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Cell phone kills woman
« Last post by frik on May 27, 2016, 09:24:44 AM »
Cell phones don't kill hikers, Hikers kill hikers.
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Cell phone kills woman
« Last post by pappy on May 27, 2016, 08:41:34 AM »
This is really baffling--an 'experienced hiker'  who had come ~1000 miles from Harper's Ferry and yet couldn't tell where she was in relation to the trail? And the Saddleback region is not that 'out there', I thought maybe she had been N of Monson in the Chairback region...that she even thought the cell phone was a solution is telling.
I carried a compass on the AT and PCT and probably used it a half dozen times, tops. But you've got to keep a general orientation in mind and relationship to the surrounding topography. As to maps, on the AT I ran into a couple in ME (I was N to S) that had come from GA using road maps, and did just fine, but the AT is blazed. That was '77, way before GPS.
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Climbing NOT (Bitch & moan) / Re: The Beer Thread
« Last post by neiceclimber on May 27, 2016, 07:24:15 AM »
Stopped at another new brewery on way home from Whitehorse today in the Manchester area. Pipe Dream Brewing. Had five tasters - none very good. Two woulda been drain pours if I was at home. Beer is way over priced too! Instead of a flat rate taster it's based on what they sell the growlers for - which are ridiculous with one stout being 23 bucks and another 25! My tasters were 13 bucks. Won't be going back.

25 bucks, wow! The beer geek bubble needs to burst, the prices breweries ask for their beer is getting ludicrous. IMO, tasters should be free, you're trying to get people interested in your product give them a few sips to get them in a purchasing mood.

I recently toured Cruzan rum distillery, 8 bucks for a 30 minute tour plus 4 tasters and two pint sized mixed drinks, the drinks helped loosen the wallet and I walked out with a few bottles.
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