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Epics and Accidents / Re: Missing hiker on Mt. Adams found dead
« Last post by JBrochu on February 24, 2015, 07:18:29 PM »
Trad when you wrote that you used to go to Washington in those conditions, I assumed you meant to the summit. There is a big difference between playing in the Ravine and heading for the summit. I've climbed in the ravine on days when all the ice chips from my placements were blowing straight up over my head instead of falling down the climb. The wind actually picks you up and takes weight off your feet. And these are probably "only" like 60 to 70 mph gusts.

We used to bail down South, or Central, or down the backside of the Pinnacle crossing Odells and into South, or around to the climbers right side of North -- all so as to avoid any prolonged exposure in the Garden or on Lions Head.

Even on days when the summit was really nasty conditions in the Ravine were always far less severe.

People are not making it to the summit in sustained 100 mph winds with 167 mph gusts.
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Missing hiker on Mt. Adams found dead
« Last post by Nemesis on February 24, 2015, 07:08:19 PM »
We tried a similar route in similar conditions once, and couldn't go back against the wind.   Ended up having to face the snow wallow in the Gulf.

Better than being dead (as far as we know).

She probably had no idea that she could do the Gulf wallow having no knowledge of the area.

I can say with confidence, before reading this post, I may have made the same mistake as the victim without ever considering this option.  Thanks for posting it.
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Missing hiker on Mt. Adams found dead
« Last post by strandman on February 24, 2015, 06:53:16 PM »
Nick is pretty bright..exempt he knows me....your gonna die  unless your way lucky.  the shit hits the fan in the whites in winter and your fucked.

live some time and learn something.....I learned to give up alpine climbing
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Missing hiker on Mt. Adams found dead
« Last post by tradmanclimbz on February 24, 2015, 06:42:29 PM »
 I specificly said that I have not and would not have tried to do the  pres traverse in those kinds of conditions. I don't however see how or why you would question if someone has been up on the alpine gardens in 100mph winds and sub zero temps. It's not like that never happens.  The one time I bailed  from Hunnington there were about a dozen people in Hunnington. Most of them were still going up and the peak gusts on the summit that day were 167mph. Gusts down in the ravine were stupid crazy. No one got killed that day. Heck last winter I summited Moosalake in 70 to 80mph winds and there were 3 other partys up there.  So yes JB you are being a dick on that point. Whatever..  My origional point that set you off attacking me was that a lot of the folks on this board have at one point or annother gone playing above treeline in horrendous conditions so its not really fair to attack Kate for going up there in cold windy weather.
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Missing hiker on Mt. Adams found dead
« Last post by eyebolter on February 24, 2015, 06:13:09 PM »
I've done the "weenie" traverse (Madison to Pierce and down Crawford Path) in clouds and snow, but not much wind.   A very long day as we got lost in several places where the trail was completely obliterated by snow.  Not saying it couldn't be done in 100+ mph wind conditions, but I do know that I couldn't do it.
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Missing hiker on Mt. Adams found dead
« Last post by DaveR on February 24, 2015, 05:58:10 PM »
I'm not focusing here on the particular weather situation that this unfortunate woman from NYC found herself in ten days ago up there near Madison.  But people are naive or "misremembering" if they think that a person can do a one-day, long distance (twenty miles) peak-bagging traverse above tree-line in the Presidentials when it is blowing 100 mph and the raw temperature is below zero.  IT CAN'T BE DONE.

That is a VERY long day in the winter with great conditions. I have to agree with nick here, that hike is really undoable in those conditions. I am guessing that if you polled all members of MRS they would say that hike is a crazy idea to start with unless all conditions are great from the weather to the snow. I feel very bad about what happened but IMO just leaving the car that day with that traverse in mind knowing the forecast was nuts, especially being solo and never having done it before. I'm glad all the people involved in the search are all ok.

I also know a couple of people who I hope will learn something from this and start to use more common sense in the course of their adventures or I fear they could end up the same way. The mountains can have a pretty harsh way of reminding us we are not as badass as we think sometimes. I like many others who have posted had a lot of luck on my side when I was younger.
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Missing hiker on Mt. Adams found dead
« Last post by Admin Al on February 24, 2015, 05:07:26 PM »
I tend to agree with Nick Grant here. I don't think it could be done in those conditions.

I also agree with Luke to some extent, (I know, I know...) in that hypothermia changes every aspect of a person's decision making. in that state all decisions are suspect. I would find it hard to believe she was not in that state or close to it.
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Climbing NOT (Bitch & moan) / Re: Kinsman Cluster%#&!
« Last post by xcrag_corex on February 24, 2015, 04:46:16 PM »
Thank you for all of your collective honestys Marks
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Missing hiker on Mt. Adams found dead
« Last post by Nick Grant on February 24, 2015, 01:36:53 PM »
I'm not focusing here on the particular weather situation that this unfortunate woman from NYC found herself in ten days ago up there near Madison.  But people are naive or "misremembering" if they think that a person can do a one-day, long distance (twenty miles) peak-bagging traverse above tree-line in the Presidentials when it is blowing 100 mph and the raw temperature is below zero.  IT CAN'T BE DONE.
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Climbing NOT (Bitch & moan) / Re: Kinsman Cluster%#&!
« Last post by M_Sprague on February 24, 2015, 01:04:36 PM »
Sorry everybody, they were all me. To raise a little extra cash I have been in a cloning experiment. I figured to have a nice little solo jaunt and all the replicas had the same idea. That is why I haven't been to the crags much lately.
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