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Epics and Accidents / Re: Accident on Cannon
« Last post by strandman on June 22, 2016, 04:19:57 PM »
Thank you Mr. Cannon..

Rusty pins ???  NH has a few, a  lot of them are fine.
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Accident on Cannon
« Last post by lucky luke on June 22, 2016, 04:14:05 PM »
Found this online:

http://www.wmur.com/news/man-injured-after-fall-from-cliff-at-cannon-mountain/40152504

it is obvious. it is the fault of the rock. The guy didn't make any mistake that we can learned. It is current to see people fallen like apple from a three. It is what they do in a gym. I had one in the gunks recently and he, and me, was lucky that the rusty pin hold is fall. It was the only protection and loose rock.

Nobody need to learn how to climb trad. and nobody need to learn how to avoid an accident by reading the mistake of other.
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Events & Announcements / Re: Tree Fall at Cathedral, lower refuse?
« Last post by NEAlpineStart on June 22, 2016, 02:01:41 PM »
Well it does seem like your going a little over board there Dave. You just wanna put that anchor back in on top of Bombardment, don't ya?
Sam

Do I still think one would make sense there? Yup. Would I ever put it back? Nope.

How about voicing your opinion regarding the long standing tree anchor that is no longer there? No need for a rap station in that area? Wasn't used by many people other than guides I think, so I'm leaning towards just cleaning the area up of the teetering blocks and leaving it all as is. What would you suggest?
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Events & Announcements / Re: Tree Fall at Cathedral, lower refuse?
« Last post by krankonthis on June 22, 2016, 01:48:23 PM »
Well it does seem like your going a little over board there Dave. You just wanna put that anchor back in on top of Bombardment, don't ya?
Sam
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Climbing NOT (Bitch & moan, Politics) / Re: Another cleanup?
« Last post by strandman on June 22, 2016, 11:16:37 AM »
This has been going on forever...that's how Refuse and the Big Flush got named
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Epics and Accidents / Accident on Cannon
« Last post by slink on June 22, 2016, 08:26:22 AM »
Heard there was an accident on Whitney G. 30 ft fall and pulled gear. Hope no serIous injuries were sustained.
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Events & Announcements / Re: Tree Fall at Cathedral, lower refuse?
« Last post by NEAlpineStart on June 21, 2016, 07:55:28 PM »
And yes Dave we should chop down all sketchy looking trees.

Yup Steve. Glad you got my point out of all that context. Good work!  ??? ??? ???
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Events & Announcements / Re: Tree Fall at Cathedral, lower refuse?
« Last post by steve weitzler on June 21, 2016, 07:47:23 PM »
If a tree falls off a cliff does anyone hear? And yes Dave we should chop down all sketchy looking trees. While we are at it we should cut down all the healthy ones as well because some day they will probably fall down. Then with that complete it is time to start with the undergrowth that I always stumble over on my way to the base of Cathedral. When the undergrowth is cleared we can start the paving of trails (many trails, wheelchair accessible) that lead to all the climbs on the cliff. And as they do in France we should paint the names of the routes at the base (I have been there seen them). We could even paint the route topo maps (for those that can't read) You know the French Canadians. There you go the "Use Plan" for Cathedral for the next ten years.
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Events & Announcements / Re: Tree Fall at Cathedral, lower refuse?
« Last post by NEAlpineStart on June 21, 2016, 07:39:25 PM »
Great report Dave. Should that anchor be replaced with a bolt anchor when the trundling is done??

That's a good question. The remaining trees are too far from the edge to allow a single 60m descent. There's a shelf ledge directly below the Book anchor that is used to access Women in Love. That seems a natural place for a bolted anchor. Obvious questions in my mind:

1) Do we need a anchor here? IMO it was only used for descending Lower Refuse/Brown Fist with a single 60m. We can still descend that route in 2 raps using one of the higher trees (though I'm slightly concerned about them now) and by stopping at the mid-thread-anchor at the top of the of Brown Fist.

2) Would a station on that ledge leading to Women in Love significantly alter the character of the existing climbs?

I really can't answer either of these two questions. While I liked being able to get down from there with a single 60m it certainly wasn't a huge necessity.

I think the priority should be cleaning up what's left there. As I mentioned in my post other climbers reported hearing rockfall from that area around 8pm that night and from what I saw there is a lot teetering up there. Plenty of stuff that could reach the lower climbers trail with a small nudge.

After that issue has been addressed I'd defer to some of the folks who have been climbing here a lot longer than I regarding adding an anchor. I am way below the pay grade from Women in Love and that seems to be the route that might be most effected by a bolted anchor in this area. There is a spot very close to where the tree was that might accept a bolted anchor but I didn't inspect it close enough to be sure.
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