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Epics and Accidents / Re: Missing hiker on Mt. Adams found dead
« Last post by tradchick on February 25, 2015, 06:51:22 PM »
Sometimes I think that climbers from out of state are more inclined to stay out in deteriorating conditions than locals.  I have turned back twice this winter but I live 30 minutes away and there's always "next weekend."  Non locals may not have that luxury.

At any rate, it's very tragic and I can only imagine the fear and desperation she felt.
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Climbing NOT (Bitch & moan) / Re: Kinsman Cluster%#&!
« Last post by tradmanclimbz on February 25, 2015, 06:20:27 PM »
+10
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Missing hiker on Mt. Adams found dead
« Last post by Nemesis on February 25, 2015, 06:20:02 PM »
The mistake she made was after that, not at the car.

I agree with this sentiment.  I've left the car with some pretty lofty goals
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Missing hiker on Mt. Adams found dead
« Last post by David_G48 on February 25, 2015, 05:03:31 PM »
I agree with Lucky Luke in that she had a predisposed mind set that enabled her to climb beyond the point of no return. Just to take a different view if it we all  had  an attitude of "I can not do it" we would not have climbs above 5.10 etc..
My heart goes out to her husband who is probably doing a Monday morning quarterback process of what if I said, did or thought about it in a different way. He has to live with this forever! He should be given as much support as possible. His not brooking her decisions probably would not have changed her course of actions.
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Missing hiker on Mt. Adams found dead
« Last post by lucky luke on February 25, 2015, 04:39:15 PM »
But she was there and could see what's around her, she was able to walk down after summiting Madison, no problem. The mistake she made was after that, not at the car.

I was with my friend, climbing madison from the east and we went over the col. In half an hours, all our equipment was frozen, not too wet equipment because we change our shirt before the timber line.

My partner felt in hypothermia. Is skin was waxe and he felt every five or six step. We were close to the timberline and we set the tent and I make diner. After an hours, he stop shivering and was O.K..

We also have the women at Mt Jackson who was trap by the wind. She decide to do pumped jack all night long instead of going back on the ridge. Today, Dman can understand why she did that.

As for  "the mistake was done not at the car, but after". I disagree. The mistake was done before she event took place in the car. The mentality of performance, to risk our life to show how good we are, is a good subject to discuss here. What performance can be more important than life? and if there is nothing more important, why should we risk? or where is the limit between safety and performance? 
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Climbing NOT (Bitch & moan) / Re: Kinsman Cluster%#&!
« Last post by pappy on February 25, 2015, 02:45:13 PM »
There are just too many damn ice climbers now. Would y'all stop with this ice fest BS and try actively discouraging instead?
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Missing hiker on Mt. Adams found dead
« Last post by The other tomcat on February 25, 2015, 09:24:14 AM »
I am inclined to think she was not that tech dependent, as I believe I read here that she did not even turn her phone on. The beacon was a good idea to take. The picture of her somewhere with the big pack indicates she owned all the right stuff, and the day pack she took shows she just didn't take any of it.

I have never taken a sleeping bag around the Huntington loop because it's always a weight paring game, but I'd have a pack my lower half fit into and a belay parka. For just hiking, and in those conditions, just the predicted conditions, a bag and the scoop part of a shovel would add 3-4 pounds, and she would have probably survived.

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Epics and Accidents / Re: Missing hiker on Mt. Adams found dead
« Last post by om on February 25, 2015, 08:47:44 AM »
Thanks, smartpig, my thoughts exactly. I would drop down below tree-line as far as I could, try to build a shelter, maybe start a fire and yes, activate a beacon. Because probability of bushwhacking out of Great Gulf on my own power for _me_ are very very low. Don't get me wrong - I absolutely don't want to need a rescue, ever. I will do my absolutely best to never find myself in that situation. But if asked i will be honored to participate in a rescue and will never say no, because i think it is important for us as a community to have this option.

As far as Kate's story - why is everyone so bent on her leaving the car with an ambition plan? She probably abandoned it as soon as she walked out of the trees. You never started a day announcing you will do the Flesh and coming back with Holderness? I sure had, noone crucified me for it. And where do you guys see 100mph winds? 56mph average that day on Washington summit. We abandoned the traverse twice in last couple years, once after Adams and once after Washington. And both times due to conditions. Did we asses the situation wrong at the car? - probably. But what is the problem in going up and playing it by ear?   
Of course she didn't know what she was walking into, these winds are not common elsewhere and 80mph gust is humbling no meter how many times you faced it. But she was there and could see what's around her, she was able to walk down after summiting Madison, no problem. The mistake she made was after that, not at the car. 
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Jim Ewing accident?
« Last post by Nick Grant on February 24, 2015, 09:54:26 PM »
Great news.
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Epics and Accidents / Re: Jim Ewing accident?
« Last post by markvnh on February 24, 2015, 09:28:00 PM »
Awesome to hear Al. Thanks for the update...
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