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And to me the best ascents are multi-pitch anything where you and your partner get up something you would not alone. Where the strength of the team is more than the parts.

Gear Exchange / Books For Sale
« Last post by steve weitzler on August 28, 2015, 05:18:52 PM »
I am in the process of selling my house in order to downsize. Unfortunately I have a couple hundred climbing books (some first editions and many out of print) that I need to sell. If anyone is interested in any of the books I would be happy to send you the inventory if you send me a request at Not included in the inventory list is a few hundred guidebooks from around the US and the world. Those are also for sale. I am pretty motivated to sell so let me know if you are interested.
Rock Climbing: Trad / Re: Climbing was A Team sport now it's often a ME sport.
« Last post by strandman on August 28, 2015, 04:47:08 PM »
The team approach has always been the one i have followed..established and new routes

having a person lead every pitch on a wall for example seems very greedy to me  and really boring for  the belay slave
Rock Climbing: Trad / Re: Climbing was A Team sport now it's often a ME sport.
« Last post by MT on August 28, 2015, 02:07:30 PM »
I don't think anyone really ushered in the ME mentality. Heck, what would a FAionist be w/o the ego to think that he/she can climb this or that piece of rock/mt? To some point, there's always the "ME" that drives things, whether it be climbing or anything else. Hate to sound like Ayn Rand here, but a lot of innovation/change in our world boils down to the passion and dedication of a single person. Why would climbing be any different?

Now whether that leads to an ethically worthy ascent or not, well, that's another argument?

Personally, I like the TEAM approach to climbing b/c I'm too weak and burdened by work and family to climb hard anymore ;D

Climbing Gear Q & A / Re: Do you use belay gloves?
« Last post by neiceclimber on August 28, 2015, 08:34:24 AM »
I Can't wait for the day when I turn the corner at the local crag and find a gaggle of 20 something YO's shirtless wearing beanies and belay gloves boasting of their brave deeds on their latest proj.

I do like them for rappelling, these new skinnier ropes with shiny sheaths seem to get pretty warm on long raps.
We did that pretty often back in the day too Nick, and it was great fun with several of your friends. Usually we didn't take those " ascents " very seriously, or consider ourselves to have " led " something, a new route being the possible exception. We used the yo-yo game as a way to push or limits and kind of train instead of toproping which has always bored me to tears.
Rock Climbing: Trad / Climbing was A Team sport now it's often a ME sport.
« Last post by tradmanclimbz on August 28, 2015, 07:35:31 AM »
 When I first started climbing in the early eightys climbing was a TEAM sport.  When one member of the TEAM got stumped on a pitch they could lower off from their high point and leave the rope running through the gear. The next member of the TEAM would then go up and  and try to get the rope higher on the pitch without pulling the rope first.  This was still considered free climbing by the TEAM and if the summit was reached by this TEAM effort it was called a free ascent. Fritz considered shoulder stands to be free climbing because climbing was a TEAM sport.
 Ward mentioned on MP that Henry was perhaps the one who started pulling the rope after every attempt?  I wonder if that is correct? If so was he then  responsible for ushering in the ME era of climbing?
Partner Exchange / North Conway 8/30-9/1
« Last post by seth6767 on August 27, 2015, 10:37:04 PM »

Looking to get out at the beginning of this coming week - moderate multi or single pitch at Cathedral or crags near N. Conway. Safe fun climbing.  I am up in North Conway often this fall, so would be great to find a few people who can climb during the week.

Rock Climbing: Trad / Re: standard route at white horse
« Last post by tradmanclimbz on August 27, 2015, 10:35:21 PM »
my point exactly.  8)
Rock Climbing: Trad / Re: standard route at white horse
« Last post by DGoguen on August 27, 2015, 09:48:54 PM »

Wow that's a beautiful photo Dave.
Looks like a "Yes" album cover minus the  mushrooms and goblins of course.
Makes me want to hit it with white gas and a wire brush. HA
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